Welcome And A Healthy Shift

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Roger talks about the uh healthy shift. Uh we all need a healthy shift for those that work really crazy hours. Oh, that would be Roger Sutherland, founder of a healthy shift, creator of a shift work champions. Roger uh longtime. Uh shift worker as a uh copper for many years. How many years? Forty years. 40 years. Uh and now uh trains, talks, and uh does amazing things uh for people that work uh night shift. Welcome back. How was the holiday?

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It was absolutely fantastic. I've been down in Port Ferry for the week. Jesus God's country down there. I know we've got listeners from down in the uh uh lower west of Victoria, but we we lucked in, the weather was absolutely fantastic. And um now look, I just want to say one thing too. Now I hear horror stories about the roads down that way, and I just want to say that look the lovely Melissa was the driver because she just loves to drive, and I sat in the passenger seat. Um and we went down, we didn't go on the high road, we didn't go on the ocean road, we sort of went through the middle there. I didn't find the roads too bad. Which is where through uh through um not through through Beager, went down through the Beager area there. Um and oh geez, it's beautiful down that way. And and I know we're on live radio here, but I'm I'm gonna make a call. I think East Beach at Port Ferry could be one of the most beautiful, cleanest, and safest beaches in the country.

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Ladies and gentlemen, you've heard it here on Australia overnight. And I'm also share. So let's assuming we've got uh a big screen. Uh you've brought in the slides. Paint a picture.

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Paint the picture. The picture is it is perfectly white, clean

Port Fairy Beach And Holiday Reset

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sand that rolls down into an ocean which literally is clean. There's only a few little wads of seaweed along the place. It's like in a big bay, and it also has um like just gentle waves just rolling in, and the beach just goes for kilometres. Melissa and I walk for an hour and a half on the beach, heading in one direction. Melissa wanted to get to the point, and it's one of those ones where the point just seems to get further away the closer you get to it. Um, and then we had to turn around and walk back. I've got to tell you, it is literally one of the most beautiful places, and I'm onto the locals down there. Every local, you say, geez, it's beautiful down here, and they go, Oh, yeah, but it's no good in the winter, no good in the winter. I'm onto them. They're just trying to put you off. Yeah, of course they. They don't want to hear it. They don't want you here. They don't want you there. Did you go to the lighthouse in Port Ferry? Didn't go to the lighthouse this time, but we hiked around. I've I've been everywhere, I've been through that way a lot. Um, this is my third trip down there. I've done some work with the company down there, and I tell you, um, anybody looking for a really nice, quite it's got a great vibe about it. It's it takes all of the stress out of your system, Port Ferry. Beautiful place. And we went and played pickleball in Warnerball with the Warnerball pickleball club, give them a big rap. They were an amazing club, fantastic club, one of the first pickleball clubs in Australia.

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And so for those that don't know much more uh much about the uh pickleball, yep, it's one of your uh found passions in the world.

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Oh I absolutely love it. Um and to paint the picture for people more than swimming?

Swimming For Breast Cancer Research

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No, no, I'm I'm I'm swimming for breast cancer at the moment. Yeah, I'm I'm I'll talk about that in a minute. But I'm swimming, I've got a friend of mine that's just been diagnosed uh with stage three plus plus plus breast cancer at 30 years old with three young children, and I'm swimming to raise money for breast cancer research. Did you know nine women a day die from breast cancer? And women and men are not immune to it either. I don't know whether you know that, but there was a very famous uh drummer for a rock band that died of breast cancer. Don't tell me who it is. No, I won't, but I'll a very famous drummer. Sorry? Australian? No, American. Not Australian, American.

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Uh no, I've got no idea, but tell me.

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No, no, we'll talk about it later. We'll talk about it later. Yeah. Um, but there's the thing is breast cancer is something that um we shift I I bring this attention to it for shift workers, and and I did say I want to be upbeat today, but let's just talk about this just quickly. Female shift workers are overrepresented overrepresented in the breast cancer um diagnosis. And the main reason for this is women men, prostate cancer, women breast cancer for whatever reason. Um, and when I say for whatever reason, circadian misalignment actually creates this. Now, I've I s as you know, I swim regularly, and what I'm doing now is in November I've committed to swim 24 kilometres in um November, and I'm raising funds for the National Breast Cancer Foundation of Australia. Well done, mate. And um I've raised nearly sixteen hundred dollars so far, and I've um I I used October as a guide, and so far I've swum nearly twenty-six and a half kilometres in uh October and the clock zeros on the first of November, and then I'll be swimming every day. I'm gonna do two kilometres every day. I really, really want a minimum of 30 kilometers. I've set a goal of 24, but I want 30 kilometres in November at least. And uh, how can people help at least? Well, people can help if they go to any of my social media posts, my a healthy shift on Facebook, um, or if they go to a underscore healthy underscore shift on um Instagram, if you comment inspire, the word inspire, I'll send you a link to my page, you can cheer me on, you can see where I'm at, and it will actually um give you an opportunity to um to donate. And I've I've got a prize for any what I'm doing is all of my donors. Yeah, I've got I've got a prize because you're like the uh the resident prize gnome. I know, I know, but I've got a um I I I haven't announced it yet, and we'll announce it here. I've actually got um a manta sleep mask, a pink pink manta sleep mask. Which is which is um uh the shift worker's dream of a night of a sleep mask. It's the most comfortable sleep mask that you'll ever wear. It's quite expensive, really good. Price at 135? 135. I I'm telling you, you get what you pay for. You can buy rubbish or you can buy the

Sleep Mask Tips And Light Test

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manta, but you'll end up buying the manta in the first place. It is fantastic. Well, I no, it doesn't work that way. Because if you can hold your hand out and see your hand at that I'm holding my arm out at full length now, and I've turned my hand to face me. If you can see your hand, it is too light in your room for you to sleep at any stage. Now that's nighttime, daytime, whatever. So if you can see your hand, it is too light. And a sleep mask is the way to do and you watch the difference it makes to your sleep. And the manta is really good for like women because those eyelashes they don't touch at all because they've got like eye cups, they're good for side sleepers, they're cooling, absolutely fantastic. And I'm giving one away to a donor who will go into a random drawer at the end of November. So there you go.

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It's a good thing.

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You've done well.

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Thank

Cash Versus Card In Daily Life

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you for that. Uh now we've been talking about uh cash or card. Which side of the uh coin do you sit?

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Cash or card. Card. I I don't even carry cash. I I just don't even have cash or carry it.

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So you don't how long since you've can carried cash? COVID. Yeah. So that's what I said earlier. And I said, well, I I haven't I I don't know that I've touched, well, you would have. I haven't touched a uh $20 note for five or six years.

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Oh no. When someone pulls cash out, like I live in I live in Avondale Heights and it's an Italian community. Oh, it's all still very cash there. Oh, it's all cash money there. Oh cash money. And the shop people are horrified when you want to tap, they go, What? What are you talking? What are you doing? Um so it's I think it's there's a demographic of people who carry cash and card and things like that. Um we're very conditioned. I don't even carry the cards, I've got my phone. That's it. I take the cards when I go on holiday, but I don't carry them with me.

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133693, 133693. Uh, we'll come to you, Justine. We're everywhere, right in Australia. Come and join us. I'm Tony McManus. Roger's here, a healthy shift. 133693.

Listeners Share Port Fairy Stories

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Good morning. Laddy da. Look at that. Uh Justine, say hello to Roger Roger. I don't know whether you met Justine, but she is a great fan of Port Ferry.

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Good morning. Hi, Roger.

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Morning, Justine. Port Ferry.

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Um, we Yeah, we went down there a few years ago, maybe four or five years ago for a 50th. Yes. And um uh my husband is familiar with the area because he works in the dairy industry, so he's banging on just about how beautiful it was how beautiful it was. Anyway, I had to do the accommodation booking and I only made it for one night, and we were so disappointed because um I love the architecture. Uh uh all the um properties, I think they have a particular almost like a heritage over the properties, the colours that you have to paint them. Um, all the little cottages. And um the cafes were amazing. We couldn't believe the hospitality or the local um shopkeepers, as I call them. We just had the most beautiful, beautiful 24 hours. But we have gone back since because we go to Mount Gambia a lot. So we've taken different routes.

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Cool, and for a bit of um Justine, there's there's actually Chef Hat restaurants down there in Port Ferry.

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Yes, I yes.

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I I someone told me that recently, yes.

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Beautiful. Where did you uh thanks, uh Justine, where did you uh bite to eat anywhere in particular? Oh pubs and things.

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We we just bite to eat. We we we did a we took a lot of food down with us actually, to be honest. Well, for a week. Yeah, absolutely. Why not? We don't go out at night. We sit and I I tell you we don't go out we watch the news. No, we're up early and out on the beach walking, and then from from our morning beach walk, we're we're very health-seeking individuals, Tony. We don't go out, I don't drink, and Belissa. So we watch the news at six and we No, we don't watch the news at all. You know that.

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We go straight to bed straight after the 7.30 report. No, 8 30. We don't want to stay up too late.

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We don't watch the news. Artie, morning. Good morning, Tony, and good morning, Roger. Again, nice to speak to you again. And good morning, Jay. A very well respected man. I love the course you're doing for cancer. Sadly, we lost a cousin at 40 with bell cancer, but I'll move on to something better than that. We're avoiding Morty Allegas, you know, as being a cop of what's going on there. We walk along the Chelsea Beach, which is clean as well. Yes, she's into masters. Me and uh very clean. We do a long walk because she's into fitness and training. Yes. And uh yeah, it's much better there on the Chelsea Beach, which is very clean, as you'd know. And I really love the work you do and love it when you come on to stay. Thanks, Hardy. I appreciate that.

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Tell me, Hardy, how good do you feel after a really nice long walk on a beach?

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Well, you know I'm getting into karate and everything, and uh the beach because it slows you down, you you know all about it. I do. And it's just great, and uh it feels good. I'm a non-smoker, non-drinker, and so on, and uh you just feel great with a clean air on the beach. And if you stay in the sand, it slows you down, but you feel more healthy, you feel so strong and fit, and you just feel so good about it. Cle the clean air.

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Artie, you're my man. You're my man, man after my own heart. Well done. Well done, Artie.

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Thank you. Uh Paul, hello, you been to Port Ferry?

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Oh, you like what are you did you leave there?

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Um, actually, we moved to Yambok, which is 12 minutes out the road.

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Oh, you live in God's country. We're trying to work out how we can move down there. But we realize that the property in Port Ferry and uh in a checkbook like the old house and come on there.

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Come on there.

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Yeah, look, I was lucky. I grew up on the wall, uh just a couple of doors from the river dig in, which is and uh had a great life there, and my dad told me when he was a kid, they used to swim in the moine river, and the big uh white parties used to come in uh when the cooler boats were uh gathering all the fish and things, and because they used to hop out of the water for a little while. And then they'd hop back in when the shark went.

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So um Now we didn't see we didn't see anyone swimming in the moine. But the moine it looks uh that's where the boats all come in, Tony. That's like a it's like a uh uh an inlet where all the boats come in and they dock there. Um I noticed uh Paul they're pulling the bridge down between the east and the west of the town in um February or March. They're pulling it down for six months.

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Yeah, certainly needs a bit of work there, mate. It's had a you know uh uh well overdue and uh it'll be good for everybody. It's gonna be a uh a little convenience for the people and the shop over there, but uh it's a long way rant, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. And uh look you know yeah, it's a beautiful place. I mean one more thing about um uh I'm I'm uh um uh um I've extra mission uh powerful cable. And um and we've seen nothing like uh a couple of years back. Um we've seen nothing of the you know uh of the flu and and what have you and and a few dead birds, and I think that one have come here and died. Well, they can't die again, you know?

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Yeah, of course. Paul, let me just a quick question, if you may. Uh there was uh many, many years ago, 7879 eighty, uh there was a lovely bloke who used to do reports from Port Ferry for us to 5SE in Mount Gambia. He was very well known around that Port Ferry area. He would communicate and broadcast and do incredible things. For the life of, I don't remember his name. Would you have any idea who that may have been? Uh look, it might be Chris Kerr. Well, Chris Kerr was the great uh he had a business in Warnable too, didn't he? With uh Yeah, look, it might have been Tony Jones in Portland. Maybe it was, maybe it was Tony Jones, but Chris Kerr also had that big uh record store, didn't he, in Warner for a long time. Yeah, yeah. Good on you, Paul. Thank you. Uh wherever uh wherever you are down around that area, it's obviously uh beautiful. And people are very fond of Port Ferry.

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But well, they are. It's a little Hamlet. I I looked at the average price of the housing in Port Ferry and then compared it to Warner. There's a significant difference. I think Warnable is where you would have to live, just quietly. Port Ferry's gone up in price. Oh, Port Ferry's just outrageously expensive. Yeah, um, and the Merijig Inn that he mentioned? More than a million? Oh, god, oh absolutely. Yeah, you won't get a place for under a million in Port Ferry. Uh it's oh tell you, it's beautiful down there. It's got such the most beautiful vibe. Um, and I will say the Merrijig Inn that he just mentioned there, that's Chef Hat Chefs Hat restaurant. Beautiful. Oh, it's fantastic. No, no, we've been before. Oh, right. Yeah, we've been before.

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But you wouldn't go back. You wouldn't go back. Really not saying anything good on you. Paul, Paul, thank you. It's a great call. It is Australia Overnight, you funny man. Roger Sutherland, a healthy shift. It's all part of Australia Overnight. Good morning.

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Good morning. I'm David Armstrong. The latest polls have the coalition opening up a 10-point lead.

Overnight News And Sport Update

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Heading into the election news poll has the coalition ahead of Labour 5545 on a two-party preferred basis. The result has the coalition potentially winning more than 60 seats in the 88-seat lower house. Security is being stepped up at Parliament House as politicians return to Canberra for the first time since the attack on Helen Haynes. The independent member for Endi remains in a serious but stable condition in hospital. Former Nationals leader David Littleproud has now revealed he dealt with a bomb threat in the days after the attack on Miss Haynes. Mr. Littleproud telling nine he blames companies like Facebook and X for allowing hate to fester online.

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Those with mental illnesses, they can't spot because they're not interacting, they're looking at these sites, and then they act predicated on their mental illness. And that's something I think is a real a real blind spot and a challenge for IFP.

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Well, Philip Ireland's Moto GP was ruined by the wild weather which lashed Victoria on the weekend. The end of an era, after 30 years track site, the race moves to Adelaide for the next six years. Fans and rioters sadly robbed of a chance of one last time, but a victory lapped by rioters paying tribute to the track and their supporters. Organizers kept pushing the start time, hoping for a change in conditions and that visibility would improve, but it was not to be. Former World Champ, 1989 and 1990, Winna Wayne Gartner, says it's disappointing there was not a fairy tale finish on the island.

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It's still always going to be an iconic track, an iconic place, and um it's just uh it's just a sad way to wend it, and it's a pity.

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Radical student groups are vowing to replicate the violence in the streets of France. Here, students will gather in the capitals on November 11 for an anti-capitalism protest. The rallies have drawn condemnation from veterans. They're pleading for the day to be left to honor those who fell in war. They're calling on state governments to step in and stop the marches. On the weekend, more than 1,000 arrests were made in France as police and protesters clashed. Queensland police say they're searching for at least three suspects following a drive-by shooting south of Brisbane. Shots were fired from a vehicle outside a boxing event in Logan on Saturday night, striking four people, a 19-year-old woman fighting for life, while three others are in a serious but stable condition. Detective Inspector Ink Alpin says investigators have not ruled out links to organized crime.

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At this point in the investigation, it would be premature of me to speculate on the involvement of any gang member or organized crime. It's just too early. But obviously, that will form a very important part of our ongoing investigations.

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A government report is warning more than 130,000 degree-qualified jobs could be wiped out by AI within a decade. Jobs and Schools Australia forecast four of the top ten occupations for management and commerce graduates, such as accounting, are at the greatest risk of automation. Catholic Church in the U.S. state of New York has reached an agreement to pay more than $800 million to 1,300 people who say they were sexually abused by the clergy. The offences stretch back nearly a quarter of a century. In finance, the Australian market set to open lower today, following a week lead from Wall Street and a jump in oil prices, our dollar 70.38 U.S. Updating Sport and Steve Smith has had a limited preparation heading into the third test against South Africa as he manages a Nikki shoe, but teammate Alex Carey says he will be ready to go. New Zealand has sealed the Constellation Cup victory with a come from behind 52-49 win in Sydney. AFLW, a final quarter blitzers off the Swans Pass West Coast to secure their spot in the finals. And that's the latest news and sports.

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Now, this is Australia Overnight with Tony McMahon.

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Thank you, David Armstrong. In our 3AW Nostorum, very good work. Roger Sutherland is here with us from a healthy shift.

Shift Work Has An Invoice

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As you may or may not know, uh Roger was a uh police officer for a long time, about 40 years, and these days uh looks and helps and supports uh people who uh do shift work, one of which is uh mwa. And uh it's really and you've been talking about this for a long time on this program and uh in your online uh forum, uh the idea of uh the fact that uh most of it goes uh not unnoticed, because I think that's could not quite the right word, but there is a price to pay in community for those of us that work shift.

SPEAKER_02 21:47

Well, I I liken it to an invoice. And for every night that you work, a line goes on the invoice, and sooner or later you have to pay that back, and generally you have to pay it back with interest. With night shift if you don't if you don't get it right. Very good. And that's the point that I make in relation to people who are breaking sleep to uh from their normal rhythms, right? So anyone that's getting up super early to start work at four o'clock, four thirty. Um look, you know, we've got David reading the news at five o'clock. He's got to be out of bed and got to get in here. That's breaking sleep. It has an impact. He is a shift worker by doing that, right? By by definition, he is a shift worker. Um, we forget about the journalists that are there, we forget about the people loading the bags onto your planes, and and they uh there is a biological impact.

The Best Parts Of Night Shift

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But let's talk about uh the fun. The fun. What is something funny, night shift? What do you love about night shift? Give us a call in relation to that. Yeah, 136933. Or text text us.

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Or you can send a text on 0477693 693.

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Yeah, and and just let us know because I know I'm in a bit uh I've got I run a podcast, a healthy shift podcast, and it talks about shift work, and for 420 episodes I've talked about how to combat and help you with night shift, but now I'm going through a fun stage with the podcast. The funny people that I've worked with, the the actual um uh what the benefits of working shift work. Now you know yourself, Tony, if you've got to make an appointment to get, you know, you've got to go and see a chiro or you've got to go and see a dentist, you make an appointment and they say, Oh, I'm sorry, I've only got one o'clock on Wednesday, you go, I'll take it.

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Yeah, I'll take it.

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And they go, What? What? Yeah, and they're surprised that you can actually take an appointment in the middle of the morning.

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Well, conversely, though, and I've got one later today, the only appointment I can get uh because they wanted me to go in the morning, well, because I sleep during the day. So I've got an appointment uh with the quack uh coming round about half past three. Now that's also painful because I then get caught up in all the school traffic.

SPEAKER_02 24:04

Well, yes, I know, but the benefit of night shift being a night shift worker or being a shift worker is you can manipulate around that generally, you can manipulate around it. And this is the forgotten positives of working shift work. When you're driving home from night shift going the opposite way to the traffic, waving to all the suckers heading to work, you know. Um but they are in the rain, it's cold, they've got out of bed, there isn't on their coffee. Oh, there's absolutely upsides. There's plenty. So give us a call on 133693. Tell us what do you find is a real upside in relation to working shift work for you?

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Uh tool theft is uh just going crazy, costing Victorians an estimate $38 million a year,

Tool Theft And Life In Policing

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with Wyndham, the state's worst area for trading. But the others, have a look at this. Uh Melbourne came in second with round about $1,195 uh thefts. Uh Brimbank, Casey, and then Hume area, Whittlesey, Melton, Great Year, all up. That adds up to $38 million a year in stolen tools. What's the incentive to not do it?

SPEAKER_02 25:16

What's the consequence for doing it at the moment? The consequences for doing it. Yeah, what's the consequence for doing it? Um what's the penalty? That's the point that I'm actually making. I remember and I heard you talking about this while I was on my way in. And the point I want to make is back in the 80s, when I first started in policing, we had numerous patrols out on the road and the police were everywhere, and we were randomly just pulling vehicles over and checking people and things like that. Rarely do you see that these days because the the police are just running from one job to the next. And we see and we hear from the police association that we're, you know, nearly 1,600 police officers down. That is having an impact. Now I know they're closing stations during the day and putting people in on the right.

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Let me ask you this. Are there are there sufficient young people putting their hand up? I've got no idea. Oh, right, okay. I've got no idea.

SPEAKER_02 26:07

Would you would you be surprised if there wasn't? Are they the right people though, or is it the advertising? Because I've I've done some research in relation to the advertising for what they're doing for these organizations at the moment. And and they're advertising that you can come and fly a helicopter and play with a dog and ride a motorbike and do that. And then they start, and for the first two years or three years in the job, like we all had to do, right? We had to sit at hospitals, do hospital guards, we had to deal with family violence incidents, had to work the div van for eight years, you know, before you got to do anything else. But that's not what's being advertised. Did you do uh traffic flinders and the Swanson? Oh, 12 point. 12 point. Absolutely, I did. It's called 12 point. Everyone knows it. And 25 point, which was Collins and Swanson as well. Could you still do all that now? Absolutely. Yep, absolutely. I remember going out and doing that, and we used to try, it was a challenge. How many cars can you pack into a hook turn? How many cars can we get into it to go ramp? I don't remember what it was at the time. Oh, that's a good one. But if you could get 12, if you could get 12 cars into a hook turn, because you'd pack them in, you'd be working and you'd get as many as you could. Because you remember you used to be able to drive up Swansea.

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Well, hang on, hang on, slow it down. 12 in a hook turn. 12 in a hook turn.

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What is the record around Flinders and uh uh Flinders and Swan and Swanson?

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I don't think they actually do. Do they do hook turns there anymore? I don't think they do. Used to be the hook turn and the cops used to we used to have challenges back in the that was 1985. So in 1985, we could pack 12 cars into a hook turn and send them on their way when the lights changed challenge.

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103693 uh take some of these calls in Greenvale. Good morning, Tony.

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Morning, fellas. Um, it

Keep Your Body Clock Steady

SPEAKER_04 27:54

sounds like I'm a hook um uh shift worker because I start every morning around four, ten past four. Um yeah, and I listened to what you said about uh six months ago that weekend, still wake up at four o'clock. Yes, I get up, um, have a cup of tea, and then I go back to van again. That um seems to work, it keeps me uh sane and normal.

SPEAKER_02 28:18

Now, Tony, that's really good that you're actually doing that because what you're doing is you're keeping your circadian rhythm in line, even on your days off. So you will find that one of the biggest problems that people have is like you get up at four o'clock and you probably do that four or five days a week, and yes, you absolutely are a shift worker by definition. And then what happens is you get to the weekend and you think, oh, I'll ever sleep in. But what you're doing is you're phase shifting that circadian rhythm. So when you have to get up next time, it's a nightmare. And this is one of the biggest problems that a lot of shift workers have going into their first day shift. They can't sleep the night before. And the reason being is because it's generally coming out of a weekend or days off where they've been staying up late at night, and that's you you've shifted your circadian rhythm to that time.

SPEAKER_13 29:06

Uh good on you, Tone. Uh, good to talk to you. Thank you. We're everywhere, right around Australia getting it, Roger. My 19th anniversary, night shifter next week. Um, having a month off R and R, says Mike. You've got to enjoy that.

SPEAKER_02 29:17

You've got to enjoy that 19th anniversary of night shift. Uh good morning, guys.

SPEAKER_13 29:21

Uh, to get up one or two each every day to drive to work as a train driver. I love the fact that I'm the only car on the road. There you go. So that is a bit of there's another one there that says I get up um Oh, it's disappeared, Jay. Um, it tooks a bit no be no uh I know there it is there. Uh it's nice. There's nothing better than driving through Melbourne at night time on a nice warm night with windows down, no traffic.

SPEAKER_02 29:49

Yeah, I know. Yeah, and one of the things that was fortunate for me as a shift worker as well was during COVID, because I was, you know, in the police, being able to drive around and go to work and back, nothing at all on the road anywhere. As I was driving to work on night shift, there was nothing on the road.

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133693, come join us the other side. Roger Sutherland's here. I'm Tony Mack for Australia Overnight. I feel like we can do some uh exercises this time of the morning.

SPEAKER_02 30:17

Well, the best part of working night shift, no bosses, great text. Yeah, no micromanagement. A lot of people love working night shift because they don't have that senior management over the top of them, they can run their own race. Good text. I 100% agree with that. I loved it.

SPEAKER_13 30:32

People would often say, uh, Rog, what's what's better for uh doing the overnight program, for example, or back in the day when I was doing so a lot of Breckie programs at uh 6PR in Perth. And I used to I I've analyzed it now by saying it was more difficult uh doing the Breckie program because you'd have to be in bed, let's say, by 8 30 or 9 at the latest. Yes, uh, to get up at 2 30 or 3 to do the Breckie program.

SPEAKER_02 30:57

Well, Ross and Russ tell you about that, don't they? From the show here on the breakfast in the morning. Um and and it's hard. But you see, because of what they do, Ross and Russ would be actually I I would like to think that the pair of them would still get up at roughly the same time on Saturdays and Sundays to make it easy for them on a Monday.

SPEAKER_13 31:17

I don't know. You're looking at me probably not. No, I'm just wondering whether they do. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02 31:24

Do you get up at the same time on Saturday and Sunday? Because that would be the right thing. Because then it would make Monday morning a really easy get up for them. Maybe. And Tuesday. Aaron in Swan Hill, good morning.

SPEAKER_11 31:36

Good morning, gentlemen. How are you?

SPEAKER_13 31:37

Well, what do you got?

SPEAKER_11 31:39

Uh yeah, I did night shift for about oh, I think I did a Aaron, you just broke away a bit there.

SPEAKER_13 31:51

So you said you did night shift for how long?

SPEAKER_11 32:27

Um we used to have what they call not shift trivia, yeah.

Smart Night Shift Snacks And Protein

SPEAKER_11 32:43

Yeah, that kept us going and uh the we did do the Red Bull energy drinks, but the best stuff I I recommend were bananas and coffee.

SPEAKER_02 32:52

Yeah, yeah, but a banana's good. A banana's good to get you through. Uh bit of carbohydrate, good and it's uh also got the potassium in it as well, which is excellent. But I you so trivia, you just made me smile, Aaron, because we used to do trivia because there used to be trivia in the papers, and when the paper came in, right, it's trivia time, everyone had to be in for trivia, and you had to do trivia at um I think five o'clock in the morning or whatever time it was. It was great.

SPEAKER_13 33:18

But yeah, uh, um now but you put me onto the idea of these little yogurt pouches, yes.

SPEAKER_02 33:27

Uh it's made a difference. How has it made a difference? I'm really curious because um and what Tony's holding here is the um uh yogurt pouch, and it's got fifteen um grams of protein. You can get them with twenty, you can get them with thirty. Um and I brought the Chibandi one in and showed you that. You did. Um now only because I've I've grabbed that particular version there, YoPro. Yeah, because I couldn't find the uh it was on special. Yeah, it was on special. And that's the way to do it as well. But how good is it? It gives you a sweet treat, it gives you protein, it slips through really easily. You're not asking your gut to do too much overnight, and you don't need a spoon. It's just a squeeze and go.

SPEAKER_13 34:03

We were getting a lot of text because you were talking about Port Ferry having a week there. Uh, best part about Port Ferry in the 60s was the uh great venue crayfish.

SPEAKER_02 34:11

Cheap crayfish. I didn't see any cray pots or cray crayfish boats, but um obviously that's moved on from down there. Obviously. Because you took your own sandwiches down there for the whole time.

SPEAKER_13 34:20

That's right. We took our own sandwiches. Tight ass Tuesday. Gav, good morning. What do you got?

SPEAKER_05 34:26

Morning, mate. Yeah, I've been doing night shifts for nearly 40 years. I'm a truck

Night Driving And Rough Roads

SPEAKER_05 34:30

driver, and night shift is to go because there's less traffic on the road, less bosses around, and the kangaroos have got more brains than some people in cars.

SPEAKER_02 34:40

Gavin, I now you're from down Portland way. How do you find the road stand there on night shift? Because you'd have to concentrate extra hard because you know, during the day you can see ahead a long way, but obviously at night you can't. How do you go with that?

SPEAKER_05 34:56

Oh, you just drive along and yeah, just if you see them, try to miss them. But that potholes around here, mate, you always be double in them.

SPEAKER_02 35:06

Yeah, I you know, we were just down there. I didn't find it too bad, but then we weren't on the two main roads either. But um, yeah, very good.

SPEAKER_13 35:13

Good on you, Cab. Look after yourself. Uh we drove back from uh the beach Portland uh Portland uh Morning Peninsula Sorento and then coming back round then into the monash. Yeah, off the east link. And it was onto Monash. It's rain yesterday afternoon, of course. Yes. I don't know whether that made it worse, but all of a sudden every pothole just seemed to be enlarged on the monash, driving back towards the city.

SPEAKER_02 35:35

Now you've got to remember I know, but this is the main eastern corridor road down to the south-east. Yeah. And it's a mess. And not and and let's not just look at the road, let's look at everything around it. Look at the length of the grass, look at the weeds growing in it, in between the it looks the rubbish, it looks really, really ordinary.

SPEAKER_13 35:57

Where's anyone? Where has our beautiful Melbourne disappeared to? Now that uh very famous uh person who who you mentioned earlier is.

SPEAKER_02 36:09

The famous drummer. The famous drummer from a rock band in the USA that was diagnosed with breast cancer is Peter Chris, the uh the original cat man from KISS. From KISS? Yeah, he was diagnosed with breast cancer. Didn't die. Obviously, Peter's still around today. Yeah. But um was diagnosed with breast cancer. Men are not immune. If anyone wants to help, a healthy shift.com. That's your website. Um anyone wants to contact, reach out, feel free.

Breast Cancer Reminder And Farewell

SPEAKER_02 36:35

And also Instagram, a underscore healthy underscore shift. Thank you for having me.

SPEAKER_13 36:39

Your ple the pleasure's all ours. Uh thank you. See you in a few weeks' time. Uh 3RW Bricky next with Russ and Russ, I'm Tony Mac for all we know we may never meet again. And uh be held out in friendship, never in what?