Slide Night Memories And Travel Banter

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Regular contributor for how long now we've been doing this? Two years? Two and a half. Holy dirly is Roger Sutherland. He is the founder of A Healthy Shift. He is a certified nutritionist, veteran shift worker, now a shift work coach, night shift and sleep specialist. And he's just back from OS. We're going round for the slide night. Now, when will the slide night be from the holiday?

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I don't think we'll have a slide night. I remember going through the slide notes. Can you remember the slide notes? Holy moly.

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Grandma's grandma and grandpa have back from their holidays. Well, they got back uh nearly three months ago, but if they're coming around, we're going to look at the photos of the holiday.

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And you used to pull the screen up.

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Oh, massive.

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But the uh screen, we didn't have a screen, love. You've got to have the screen and the projector, and it clunked into the next slide. We had the we had the projector, but straight onto the wall. Oh. Oh no screen, love. Oh, you'd upgrade it. No, bang onto the wall. You couldn't have bought a screen.

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Yeah, terrible. But anyway. No, no slide night. And you'd invite the water. It's all digital now, it's all up on the play.

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No, no. And the neighbours would come round, and drinks would be served, cakes would be made. Yep. Slide night. But there's a lot of great photos to look at.

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Oh, yeah. There's grandma on the beach. Yes. I've my mum's still got the slides, and no doubt when she passes, I'll inherit those slides, and I won't be able to look at them other than just hold them up to the sun.

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There's grant there's grandpa looking bored as bat on the beach.

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Yeah, I know. Anyway.

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Buddy, how was your break? It was just incredible. Yeah, just share. Did you miss me? Share with the audience across Australia where'd you go? Where'd you go? What'd you do? Who'd you see? Who'd you talk to?

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I was really, really fortunate to um we've got friends in Rome. So I went and spent, or Melissa and I flew out, went and spent four days in Rome, and then we headed down to Chivitavecchia, which is the port of Rome. Gorgeous. And we caught the Holland America MS Ooster Dam. And we spent three weeks on the Mediterranean cruising the Mediterranean, visiting some amazing ports. Three weeks? Three weeks, 21 days we were on board for. Not long enough, too long? Um, probably I reckon it was when I say about right, for me, I needed the break. I was overdue and ready for it.

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Yeah.

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Um, I think 10 days for a lot of people seems to be the norm. What we didn't realise was we booked a 21-day cruise, but it was actually two cruises back to back. It was from Chivitavecchia to Lisbon, and then it was from Lisbon back to Chivitavecchia. So we went out and back. Oh my lord, the Mediterranean is just phenomenal. Now I'm blessed because I've been to a few of these places before, but you know, the Mediterranean Sea at the moment is like glass. It's just like jelly. Good time of year. Um it was a fantastic time of the year. It was so flat. Anyone hesitant of cruising the Mediterranean in June, July, um, or you know, May, end of May, June is just gorgeous. Warm? Hear that? Gorgeous? Gorgeous. I used the word. Yeah, gorgeous. It was. Um, and

Mediterranean Cruise Highlights And Daily Routines

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even the the dolphins were riding the the wakes from the uh ship as well, and uh it was phenomenal. The weather was hot, hot, hot. Food unseasonably warm, loads and loads of very, very good food. Kilos. 25,000 steps a day, we averaged. Oh, pretty good. Um, feeling really good. Yeah, Melissa and I do all our own thing. We don't do organise. So you're doing that walking on the ship. Oh, well, we still we probably averaged about 20 on sea days on the ship, just moving backwards and forwards. And you know, I still went to the gym because it's just in my DNA. I still went to the gym on the days. Not port days, because it's a it's a madhouse port days, getting off, getting on, uh, making sure you're back because you don't want to be waving to the ship as it loose. How many people on that particular ship? Uh there's about 1,800 on the ship. It's not massive. No, no, it's not big, but I've got to tell you, we saw some floating cities while we were in the Mediterranean. I saw um Um uh Europa from MSC's Europa. It's got 6,000 passengers on it. It is an absolute behemoth. They are enormous. And you see them manipulate them around that time. They're incredible. They spin them. They spin them on 20 cent pieces, and then they just like years ago it used to be tugs to pull them out and push them around. Now the captains just take them away from the docks, spin them around and blast off and out through, they just thread the needle. They are phenomenal.

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How'd you go with uh just keeping keeping in mind that uh Melissa would have had a beverage? Uh you still didn't? Still didn't, no, no. I don't need to.

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No, I had the um uh the alcohol-free beer of choice on the cruise was Heineken Zero, no downside to that. Um I still haven't I haven't touched a drop in um what is coming up to two and a half years as well now.

SPEAKER_08 4:59

Well, because I haven't known you to ever have one. No, no, no. We've had a couple of lunches or dinners you've not had one.

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No, I don't. I I just don't drink. I know the impacts of it once. But you did. Oh, absolutely. Oh god, did I ever? Yeah. Going through COVID, I was the pits. I I was really bad at it, which is why I knew I had to look at it and go, no, enough is enough. Because it really does impact greatly on you. I reckon a lot of people probably during COVID did that. Oh, 100%. It was very easy to slip into. Well, I think well, I discovered um cooking uh through COVID. Uh when I say discovered it, I know it existed, but um I fell in love with cooking, and I just absolutely love finding recipes, putting recipes together and cooking. And that was one thing that you could do in COVID, and a lot of people did that. But once we had the food, then we'd sit down, it was the bottle of wine, it was two glasses each, and then it was, I feel like another glass. So you'd open another bottle, and then it was another glass out of each of that, and then it progressed to two bottles, and like that's just bad. Like every day. Um I think we finished Netflix. I don't know whether anyone else has done that. I'm pretty sure we

Alcohol Free Choices And COVID Habits

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finished Netflix. I think we drank everything dry. Um, we we ate well, we put on about a hundred kilos each, I think, and um um we lived our best life in COVID, Melissa and I. Uh don't get me wrong, being locked down was horrendous. Dreadful. But we did it really well together.

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Uh it was interesting because one of the one of the issues, one of the talking points over the weekend with uh some friends and people with whom I caught up made that same point. No, I wasn't here. So uh living in WA, whilst we had some lockdown, yeah, nowhere near as what people had in uh Victoria for various reasons which have been well and truly uh documented. Yep. But it was a very different culture. The the residual damage of that is still with us today.

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It's gonna be with us for some time. Forever. And I also think, uh and and I'll say this that with a lot of the evidence that's coming around now, and I don't want to go into this too deeply, but a lot of the evidence of what we're learning about COVID now, I understand that we didn't know much about it at the time, and we did what we could with the information that we had. But it's also fairly clear that a lot of the information was drastically incorrect. Well, we know that now. We know that now, but we didn't. But that's had a bigger impact though, Tony. Right. It's had a massive impact because people are now learning that they were probably unjustifiably locked down way back when. Uh, a lot of the decisions that were made were made um according to science at the time, but the science wasn't actually there to cause that. You know, to be allowed to um look I know I've just come back from Europe and they play Padel, which is like um squash and tennis combined together. Fabulous game, fabulous game. Um, like as you know, I'm a pickleballer. I love my pickleball. Well, you and Justin, who's a regular contributor of this program, is a champion pickleballer. I did not know that. Oh, around the world now. Really? See, I love, I absolutely love pickleball. In fact, I'll be going from the studio this morning to play. Um and and we played a lot of pickleball because there was a pickleball called on the ship. Could you ring in every morning and tell us how your pickleball's going? No, I'm not that person. But there's a lot of videos around about people who start playing pickleball. The only person that doesn't like pickleball is somebody who hasn't played it. Once you play it, it's that good. Once you play it, it's so much fun. It is the most fun you can have standing up.

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As a tennis player, uh, whilst they haven't played for a little while, uh, would I be any good at pickleball?

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Oh, 100%. You would you would you get a lot of benefit out of Tony. Yeah, like, and I know out your way there is just literally hundreds of indoor courts that you can go along and just it's such a good social event. It's where you meet people, everyone has fun. It's not it's competitive at high levels, but not at low levels. That's what I like. I absolutely love it. I want to talk and meet more people. Pickleball. Just go, I've got to tell you, you'll have so much if you're an ex-tennis player, a

Pickleball As Easy Social Fitness

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lot of ex-tennis players play pickleball now, and it's a lot easier on the knees and the wrists and the hands, and you know, it's not as taxing, but geez, it's so much fun. If you're not laughing in within five minutes of playing pickleball, then you're not doing it right.

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Roger Sutherland is here from a healthy shift, one double three, six, nine, three. What are we going to talk about?

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I want to talk about what I've noticed coming back to Victoria. Oh. What we've accepted as the new normal. Yeah.

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The new normal in Victoria.

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Other parts of Australia or just Victoria? I can't really comment on the other parts. But uh similarities? I would say it would be fairly similar, but I can't speak with authority on it. But certainly.

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We're just trying to ignore the other.

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What I've noticed, Australia. Well, in Australia, coming home. Yeah, okay, good point.

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We'll do that next. Australia overnight. Good morning. A regular contributor of the programme said, uh, more than welcome to go uh to uh Tanya's house and uh cook at any stage. Which we should do that at some point.

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Oh, I would be more than happy to cook. I I I I cooked a Punjabi chicken curry last night. That I mean, I've got an outdoor kitchen, thank God. And I was able to cook it in the outdoor kitchen because you wouldn't cook that inside. My lord, it was delicious. Is it slow cooked though? How do you do that? No, quick slow cooked. I'll I'll I'll WhatsApp you the speaking of WhatsApps, yeah. How was your birthday the other week? It was very good, thank you. Did you get a text message from someone in the middle of the Mediterranean? I did, and I responded to it. You did not? Anyway, let's not talk about that. I'll double check, I'm sure I'll. No, I sent you a birthday text message from as I was sitting there with my feet up on the table on the balcony of the cruise ship looking out at the Mediterranean. I probably thought, no, yes, man. You thought, yeah.

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Oh, look, I don't blame you. Um so what are the what are the observations everybody does this when they go away on holidays, whether you're going up to uh you know, whether you're going down to Portsey or whether you're going to Noosa or far north Queensland or uh the Kimberley, you come back and you make observations about where you've been as to where you live.

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When I went to Europe, I I look at things probably with a very different eye. I don't it because I was looking at law and order and safety and how I felt

Safety Policing And Victoria’s New Normal

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while I was there and what I was actually seeing. In Europe, there's police everywhere. Everywhere. Even sitting off the railway stations, they've got police sitting in cars. Um and I noticed that I just generally in Italy, in Italy in particular and Spain, I just felt so safe. And there was um So it was presence. It was a presence. I I will say this to you, mate, um you can't close police stations and put police out on the road for a presence, it's not working. We know that the stats are not supporting that. Um there's been a great investigation that's been done by a journalist for the Herald Sun um in relation to this. And the thing is visible presence trumps everything, everywhere. You have to have police within view, walking around, engaging with the community for safety, for the perception of safety and for safety, because we uh we've lost it here with uh the way we are, everything's so goddamn expensive. Where's the money gone? That's the problem. When did we lose it, Roger? Well, I think we lost it. Um put it this way, uh and this is my point. If you left Australia 20 years ago and you came back today and looked at it, you would be on the next plane back out again. You would you would be back on the next plane out. Now you might think that's talking about Australia? Yep. Right. Yep. Yep. Well well, having said that, I'm very ignorant when it comes to like I've I've only ever landed at Perth Airport and taken off, so I've never been to Perth. Adelaide, I absolutely love Adelaide as a city. I really do. I think it's like a big country town, great cafe culture, and I think it's fabulous. And being able to just walk to the Adelaide Oval for a cricket match or the free oh, it's absolutely beautiful. Um, and I heard you on the air talking before about what they're doing with um Eddie Head Stadium or Marvel Stadium with people being on the roof. Amazing. They do that at Adelaide Oval. You can sit up on the Adelaide Oval and you can do that. Um but I I think Adelaide's a beautiful place. Brisbane, I love Brisbane as well. Um, haven't been to Sydney for a long time, but I I but when you compare it to Italian villages, I know we're talking years old. Why haven't we learnt? How come I can get on a train in Rome and go to Florence for the day? Which is like going from Melbourne to Mildura. And the trains are so efficient, they run at 300 kilometres an hour, they run every single hour. You just book a ticket at a ticket box that's there, walk through, it gives you a seat, you get on the train, the train leaves bang on time, it arrives bang on time. Do you know if the train's 10 minutes late in Italy, they refund your fare? Well, within 10 minutes, they'll refund your fare if it's late. Um, and they're doing that. What are we dealing with? What's become what are we accepting here in Victoria? Yeah. I can only speak because I live here and I pay taxes here and I earn money here and you know, and I'm on the radio here, so I can only talk about that. But um, what are we starting to accept as our new normal? We are it's like the great question. It's like boiling the frog, isn't it? You know, the frog in the frog in the hot water.

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Yeah, it's a great storyline. 133693, if anybody would like to jump on board and uh have a yak with us, you'll get through straight away. 133693. It's an interesting observation, that idea of if you were just coming to the nation, but certainly, dare I say it, the great state of Victoria. Yes, would you how long would you stay?

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Well, I want out. Yeah. I want out. I want out of Victoria. I know a lot of friends of mine that have had enough. I know a lot of people that are running business that are leaving the state. They're they're going. People have had enough. It's the boiling frog, and we've got to the stage where Pussy's bow. We're we're full of Pussy's bow now. If you left and came in and looked at it now, if you left 20 years ago and you came in and you looked today, you'd be on the next plane and you'd be gone because you wouldn't put up with what we are. The city's dirty, it looks miserable, it's tired, um, people don't feel safe. We've we're accepting crimes that we just shouldn't be accepting now.

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And so I've often said, because it was the New York model uh that made that made a difference going back all those years ago, where they looked at things like graffiti. Petty crime. Petty crime. Yep. Giuliani. Giuliani, yes, looked at that, and that transformed it over a sustained period of time.

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And Singapore did the same thing with their litter and rubbish and cleaned the place up as well.

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So you drive around town, you look at all the crap that's everywhere.

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But not only we don't do anything about it. But just look at the grass that's growing in the middle of roads and in the medium strips and under fences and around fences. This place looks horrible. Now, we've got friends in Italy that we're trying to get to come here. They take us for drives to places and we go and have a look around it. I was vigilant in noticing how well kept everything was. And when we come back and we look at what we've got, it's a mess.

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Uh, Italian police, are they paid as an officer as much as you would expect to be paid as an officer in the I wouldn't I would not think so.

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But they've got many, many levels too of policing.

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And maybe that's a thing, and I'm not too sure how we would manage that going forward, which we'll talk about next. On Australia Overnight, good morning.

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Now, it is Australia Overnight with Tony McMahon.

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Roger Sutherland, who is a regular contributor to the program. Australia Overnight, founder of A Healthy Shift. A Healthy Shift. Uh Rog, former police officer for about 40 years, certified nutritionist these days, a veteran shift worker. When you think about it, when you started, you were a kid. Did shift work come naturally into you in those days?

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It actually did for me. Changes a little bit. I was lucky.

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Uh and now a shift worker coach and night shift specialist. Uh, we're going to talk about the idea of how you uh how you came to grips with the idea. You reckon you've managed it.

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The the I'm talking about jet lag here. Yeah, jet lag. Okay, so we'll come to that very shortly. Uh Paul in Lillidale, very quickly.

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Hi, Paul.

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Yeah, morning guys. Roger, I couldn't agree more with what you say about the state of Victoria at the moment. Yeah. I drive to Monash every day. Every day. That's disgusting, isn't it? The road works, and yet there's n it just doesn't look any better. And yet the people of Victoria are putting it up with so much rubbish from this government, it's just mind-blowing.

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Yeah, and then we just get gaslit into believing that this is right or that the look over here, look this way while other things are going on in the other area. And I think what you're saying is a hundred percent. You're driving up and down, and if you actually look, it's disgusting. The road is disgusting, it's in poor condition, it's overgrown, it's not maintained, it is really poor. And we're accepting that now. Shabby. Really shabby. Shabby. It is you drive up and down, it's shabby.

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Yeah, every day it's down to 40k. Every day, and yet it doesn't look any better for what they do.

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No, it's I agree. I could not agree more.

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Well done. Good on you, Paul. Uh Justine, you wanted to add. Good morning.

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Uh good morning, um, Tony and Roger. Um, two things, um, I used to work in the hospitality many, many, many years ago and shift work, and I swear I swear you have to exercise. And I follow you, Roger, and I find your information uh too accurate.

Listener Calls On Roads Movement Mindset

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Um, and I just think exercise is so important, it doesn't matter if you're going through hard times with work or personal, but if you can get if you can crack it with exercise, then you'll get that lead happy. Just does that make sense?

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I want to say thank you so much for your support and following. But also, your point is 100% correct. We as humans must exercise. Um when we think of exercise, I want to change that word. Let's change the word exercise. Let's not use exercise, let's just say get some form of movement. That's what we need. Oh, bro. Because if I say exercise, people think, oh, I've got to put my runners on, I've got to put my shorts on, I've got to put my t-shirt on, I've got to go for a run, or I've got to go to the gym. No, you do not. You can literally just walk out your front door and turn left and walk, and then turn left and walk and turn left and walk and turn left and walk, and you're back at the front door. Just keep, just keep moving and start to do it. It's so important for our glucose control, for our body, not to mention mental health. Very, very important for our mental health to exercise as well. Um, and I would always say to people, when people say to me, Oh, I haven't got any motivation to do that, you do have motivation. Your motivation is not to exercise, it the motivation is to do what you're actually doing. Very good point. So we need to be motivated. My advice to people that are struggling with motivation, just go and do the thing and start the thing and see where it takes you. Whatever it is. Adelaide is a wonderful place.

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This is for you. Adelaide is a wonderful place. Uh, what would I know? I've only I've never been out of Melbourne except for Warnable and Barnsdale. Uh, the only person that has not been on an aeroplane. Uh JP, thank you for that. It's interesting. There would be many people listening now around Australia who would be similar to that. We just assume that everybody at some point in their life has the opportunity to travel. Travel uh overseas, clearly not the same.

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Even interesting. Oh no, there's a lot of people that don't, but there are a lot of people I can tell you now, I've literally just travelled. Those planes and and airports are full worldwide. Emirates? I would like to speak and just put a word in for Emirates. Um we traveled through the Middle East with Emirates. This is not a this is not a uh blatant plug for it, isn't it? It's not a plug.

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Just a share.

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No, I've travelled, I've travelled with Cathay, I've travelled with Qantas, I've travelled with Fiji Air, I've travelled a lot recently in the last um, well, 20 years, I would suggest, I've traveled with. Emirates are head and shoulders above everything. Emirates customer service, their cabin crew on the flights that we flew there and back are just happy to be there. You can see they're happy to be there. They're smiling, and if not, they mask it extremely well. I want to give a big shout out to cabin staff worldwide that do long haul flights full stop. We sit at an airport and complain. We sit at an airport and we complain about having to wait to board a plane. I will tell you that those cabin crew are there up to three hours before that flight, preparing the aircraft, checking people in, getting them ready. Then they have to go through the flight and put up with the buttons being pushed, the lights come and this, do this, food services drinks. Rotating into breaks, and we think, oh, it's alright for you, you can go and sleep. No, they don't sleep properly on those planes either. And you've got to remember, they're always the ones standing at the door waving goodbye to you as well at the end. Gorgeous. Which means you are off the plane last.

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But they're young, they're young, right? You can do all that sort of stuff when you're 24, 25, or 32.

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But the girls, it's taxing on the girls more so than the boys as well, because they're dealing with hormonal fluctuations at the same time. But they look a million dollars. They do. They look fabulous, and Emirates should be super proud of themselves, and the cabin crew should be proud of themselves as well. Um, it was an ama I had an amazing exchange with a young man who was a cabin um uh not a manager, just a cabin crew there. Um he's Melissa and I were just standing at the back of the aircraft and we were just having a chat and just stretching, you know how you just go down to the back of the aircraft and stand there. And he came up to Melissa and he said to Melissa,

Cabin Crew Reality And Travel Strain

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could you just move out the door? I just want to open the door. Funny. And Melissa moved. Uh she moved.

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Yeah, right. 3,500,000 feet. Uh uh Tommy, we'll come to you very shortly. Uh jet lag, yeah, is it a thing?

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And and what did you do? What would you recommend? Jet lag shift work, exactly the same. And what I did was I've I've used what I have learned in circadian science coming out of my shift working career with what I actually coach shift workers to do. And we put a plan in place and it comes down to careful planning as well. Write this down, people. This is going to be valuable. Now, Emirates fly into Melbourne twice a day. They fly in in early in the morning and they also fly into Melbourne at 10 o'clock at night. Which flight is the best one to use? The 10 o'clock at night one. Why? Because when you land, it's bedtime. It's dark and it's bedtime. Don't book the 5 a.m. return to Australia, people. Book the 10 so that when you get home, at least you're getting sleep in a normal circadian cycle. Now, people would say, oh yeah, but then you're out of sync because you've just come from Europe. Yeah, but your eye and your body is responding to light. Now, we landed at 10. We were home by 11 because we live not far from the airport. Home by 11, went went to bed, set the alarm, and got up at 7am. We set an alarm up, went for a walk, went to the gym, went for a uh a walk in the pool, did a steam session, pushed on through the whole day. We have zero blue light in our house at night, so all our lights are all circadian-friendly lights, obviously, because of what I do. Into bed, slept through, set the alarm, woke up the next day. Our body responds to the cues that we are giving it. Right now, the cues

Jet Lag Plan Using Circadian Science

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that we need to give our body is light, meal timing, and movement. And when you get those right, your body goes up. So this is where we're at in time and space, and you feel so much better. So much better. And we have come through extremely well. In fact, Melissa was back at work two days after we got back on a 12-hour day shift, and she's gone through it pretty well. Yeah, of course you get tired, but it's easy for you to run through and do that. So I want to know, I want people to call it about the booking of the flight. Well, it's about booking the flight, but it's about the what you do. Because a lot of people go away on holiday. Let's talk about it. When you go on holiday, you get to your destination, you're up early, you're eating at their new times, you're getting daylight, you're out moving around. So, of course, your body goes, Ah, okay, so we're on European time now, and it responds. But what do we do when we come home? We come home, lay on the couch, scroll Netflix, we don't get any daylight, we eat all the wrong foods because we feel tired, and that's where we make the mistakes. And we are a victim of our own input. No Tim Tams for you. No Tim Tams for me.

SPEAKER_08 25:48

Uh Roger. All the travel that you do, do you ever think about global warming? Asks. Global warming?

SPEAKER_06 25:54

Yeah.

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No. We're globally warming anyway, because we're coming out of an ice age. Good idea. Thank you. Tommy, we'll come to you straight after this. Uh if you have a question, thought, idea, uh, your experience over the years with travel slash jet lag. How have you overcome it? 133 CX93 umpire. Text uh ending in 234 says rubbish, whatever that means. Uh no, I don't think it's uh rubbish bin day today, lovey. Uh good to hear you give a shout out to cabin crew. This is fantastic. Uh, because it does impact uh on the body clock. One of my best is uh Virgin Pilot and Virgin. Uh various strategies for coping with intermittent sleep patterns challenging, says Vicky.

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And Vicky is a um a Vic Pile, an ex-VicPile member as well, because that's a registered number. So that's been put there so that I recognise that. Okay, good idea. Um, Vicky, and I wonder if it's the Vicky that I know, and if it is, good morning to you. Um we need to acknowledge our cabin crew. It's hard, it's really hard. And Emirates did a great job.

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They really did. We'll come back the question there about what food you eat each day. We'll come back to that in just a moment. In Bullyn, Barry and Jetlag, say hi to Roger Sutherland.

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Uh, morning. Look, I've got a cure for jet lag, and this works. I've done it on two trips, one from South America, Brazil, and the other coming back from Europe. Now, but it takes some dedication. Yes, it does. On the flight, on the long haul, you need to get up and walk for two hours. I did two hours straight, or you could do it in one hour blocks. But it takes dedication. You've got to walk back and forth at the back of the plane or right around the big loop while everybody's sleeping. If you keep active, you come home and you don't have jet lags.

SPEAKER_06 27:49

Yeah, the other thing is too, you've got to be careful, Barry, with when you are active as well. Now, this was another point that I never got to make before. You need to look at the time zone of where you're heading to and start moving in line with that time zone, right? You um cabin crews actually set their clocks to the time of their destination, not long after they fly, after they take off. So when they're on a long haul, they move their clocks to the time of the destination. So they move to the change. So they're already in that time and working towards that time with when they're feeding, when they're moving, when they're doing what they're doing. And well, they used to, I'm pretty sure they still do that. I'll clarify that. But they used to do that. Now, that's the reason why I booked that long haul from Dubai back to Melbourne, that 14-hour fly, during the day, so that I I stayed awake on that flight. The leg from Rome to Dubai, we slept because it was our nighttime back home, and then for the long haul from uh Dubai back to Melbourne, we stayed awake, moved, ate at the normal times, um, yeah, just kept awake, watching TV, doing whatever, getting that light. So when we got home, we were ready for sleep. LinkedIn already at Tommy Morning.

SPEAKER_01 29:06

Good morning, how are you, lads?

SPEAKER_08 29:07

We're well, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 29:09

Yeah, the exercise is important there, Roger. Just it's not actually, you don't actually put your shorts on or anything like that. You just got to get a dog and actually keep moving. There you go. Roger.

SPEAKER_06 29:18

Movement.

SPEAKER_01 29:19

You use a magic word before, Roger. Gaslit.

SPEAKER_06 29:22

Gaslit, yes.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

Gaslight. Yes. This government, honestly, I've got a I think the media got a lot of aim to it because what happens is as soon as there's a smash on the monash, people go, oh, it's been a Friday, it always happens. The thing happens every day. I will guarantee, if you look at the traffic report, that a truck or a car will break down coming out of that family tunnel and it'll be banked up all the way back to Westgate Bridge every single day.

SPEAKER_06 29:49

And we get used to it.

SPEAKER_01 29:52

It happens every single day, and there's not no other way to come out to these suburbs because they got rid of that northwest link. Yes. And it's absolute disgrace, Roger.

SPEAKER_06 30:01

Yeah, I'm I'm with you. I I 100% agree. And we've got

Callers’ Jet Lag Fixes And Time Zone Tricks

SPEAKER_06 30:05

used to it. We it's become the new normal for us to just accept that these things happen. Oh, that's life. But it's not because it's not happening elsewhere in the world, and we're not being told So New Government comes in.

SPEAKER_08 30:18

How we're going to transform that? Is it going to be transformed in six months' time, uh a year's time, three years' time?

SPEAKER_06 30:25

I I've got no idea, but my point is we are accepting the new normal.

SPEAKER_08 30:30

Yeah. Uh well, uh the the great Mr. Kenneth's made the point. He thinks this this could be 30 years before uh Melbourne gets to tight tidy itself up. And I agree.

SPEAKER_06 30:39

My my grandkids are going to be paying back the debt, Ron. Paying back the debt. Uh we have, and I I talk about this all the time, we have a government that are spending with a unlimited credit card, like drunken sailors. And and I've said this before, it's like mum and dad telling you that you can't have school shoes, right? You can't have school shoes, you can't have new ones, you've got to keep wearing your wear your footy boots and take the stops out of them. Whatever. But what they do is they then go and put a mop a big screen colour TV in their bedroom that no one else benefits from. And this is where they're spending money that we just have to change.

SPEAKER_08 31:16

Question came up a police officer being paid in Italy the same amount as what an officer would expect.

SPEAKER_06 31:22

It's not a question that I can answer because I don't know, but they will not be. I know I've actually researched moving to Italy. Wow. Yeah. So we actually researched that. But um and I think it's a great place to visit, but not live.

SPEAKER_08 31:36

Healthy shift, Roger Sutherland, regular contributor Australia overnight. Mate, uh the according to information provided, uh, average Italian officer r starts on around about 1,500 euro a month. But the cost of living is lower as well. Yep. It's all relative, I guess. It is relative. Yeah, it is. Um, thank you.

SPEAKER_06 31:58

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SPEAKER_08 32:06

I'm away for a couple of weeks. Go to Friday. You'll enjoy that. Get some stuff. Thank you. I do need it. Uh Ross and Rust, the boys are ready to go. They're live from Apollo Bay, if you don't mind. And then Tommy Ellett, uh, just after 8 30 this morning. Look forward to your company. Nathan Koch tonight from midnight, Australia overnight.