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Why do we always want to uh click our fingers when we hear that? What's that about, dear, Robert?

SPEAKER_01 0:14

It's either clicking fingers or it's getting the torch at the what is it, the one on the phone out? We have to do something with uh we do that uh when we open the programme.

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Everybody gets their phones out now and goes uh to our uh opening uh song at midnight. As we shouldn't.

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As we should, it's that sort of song, isn't it?

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Uh hello. Uh if you would like to be part of it, you can join us while Roger's here. Anything you would like to raise with Roger in terms of uh healthy shift, those shift workers right across Australia. Uh might be uh you might be listening to 3AW in Melbourne, uh the Ace Radio Network, 5AA in Adelaide. There'll be shift workers still tuned in, well and truly. Those at 6P in Perth, 133 693. 133693. How do you want to start it, my friend?

SPEAKER_01 0:59

Well, we've got shift workers working, night shift at the moment. They're hitting that really difficult time now, 4.30, 4.37 in the morning. Or if you're in Perth, you are in a world of hurt at the moment at 2 30 a.m. Um, as in, it's the worst possible time. Um, give us a call. Let's talk about what battles you have and why you have battles.

SPEAKER_02 1:19

Well, why do you say that's the worst possible time?

SPEAKER_01 1:22

Um, well, because it's actually a time when our circadian rhythm actually dips severely, right? Um, anybody that's working night shift at the moment that's actually listening in, do you notice between like 2 and about 4 a.m. how cold it is? And everyone blames the air conditioning in the building. And they go, Oh, damn air conditioning, it never works at this time of the morning. And everyone's

The Brutal 2am To 4am Dip

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sitting around going, My God, it's so cold. It's actually you. It's not the air conditioning, it's actually your body temperature dropping about a degree or a degree and a half.

SPEAKER_02 1:55

What are you talking about, Jug?

SPEAKER_01 1:56

Well, it says it's a natural dip in our uh diurnal circadian rhythm. And what it does is it cools us and then it starts to warm us to wake us up from about 5 a.m. when it starts to elevate cortisol to get us going. Are you wearing shorts? Of course I'm wearing shorts. I always wear shorts. What am I wearing? Shorts. Because we're still shorts.

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Yeah.

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Never not shorts, always shorts.

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I wore long trousers on Saturday to go to the motor show. Five. Oh, yeah, okay. To go to the motor show. And I know, and I thought, oh, I don't like this idea. Uh but of course it was a little chilly, it was wet and rainy, and I thought I was I'd better do the right thing. Was that Saturday? Yeah, it was Saturday.

SPEAKER_01 2:34

I went to the Storm game Saturday night. I thought I was gonna- Did you wear shorts? Oh god, no. I had as much I had my hiking boots on, I had explorer socks on, I had jeans on, I had a t-shirt and my um apigali jacket, which is a really warm jacket. I honestly thought they were gonna have to bring out the defrosters to move me from my seat. Oh my, it was so cold. The wind. It wasn't wet, it was just the wind chill was freezing.

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Do you remember uh going to the footy in the day? Yep, and people would take a blanket. It was a lovely thing. In the uh in the old stands, people would put a blanket over and you'd be able to take a thermos and have your own more afternoon tea, and it was just gorgeous. And everybody would have it was a lovely idea to watch, and gloves and hats and all rugged up. Or standing at Victoria Park. On tins.

SPEAKER_01 3:33

Oh, you took the words right out. I was literally gonna say that. Standing on the big tins. On the big tins, the big ones, because as you mean, you just crush them, but they used to be tin. Yeah, you could, and you could literally stand on them, and get uh three for each foot.

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Yes.

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That's it. Now that brings back What were the very taller ones? Was a taller can? How many mil would it have been? Because they were uh I I don't know, but there was, and then there was the fat ones, the big fat ones. Do you remember those as well? I do in the mind's eye. I do. Well, that's exactly as a kid, uh certainly had to do that.

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Yeah. Absolutely. And did you ever sell the meat pies? No. You were never a pie boy. No, I wasn't, no.

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No, I was never one of those. Because I grew up in the country.

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So repeat after me.

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Drinks chips, chocolates, that's it.

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See you. Drinks, lollies,

Footy Cold And Old School Rituals

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chocolates, potato chips. Chips, that's it. Fabulous.

SPEAKER_01 4:40

So we are talking footy then?

SPEAKER_02 4:41

Uh well, we can well, no.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

No footy talk. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 4:45

Were you gonna start with?

SPEAKER_01 4:46

Oh well, no, I just wanted to know if you wanted to talk about the footy this week. I mean, um, I will tell you this that Melissa's family have all been over for Gather Round. Um, and the feedback is incredible. How um, for those listeners on 50A, well done to South Australia for how well they've hosted Gather Round. I know.

SPEAKER_02 5:05

There's nothing you could do about that.

SPEAKER_01 5:06

No, of course not. But they've still made the most of it, and there's been just incredible feedback from people who have been there. Um, and how good is Adelaide Oval to host five senior games of football over four days?

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Yeah.

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And looks pretty good. It looks amazing.

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It did look great at all.

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And it is a great venue. So you obviously would have been to the footy at Adelaide or the cricket?

SPEAKER_02 5:27

Uh no, the last time I was there, and you'll laugh and go, Oh, really? Uh, the last time I was there because the Adelaide, the Rotary Club of Adelaide uh meets in one of those stands. Oh, okay. And th so that was the last time I was on that Adelaide ground.

SPEAKER_01 5:43

Fabulous venue. I love how close it is. Huh? I love how close it is to in town. Like it's just on the other side of the head. I mean, you can walk. Oh, well, I walk to the gym. I love the walk. One of my favourite walks in Melbourne is going to the football and walking from Flinder Street Station to the MCG. Yeah. And after the game walking back.

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Yeah.

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And I think, how lucky are we in Australia with football that that we can all walk together and then we do battle while we're in the ground, and then we can all walk out again afterwards. And and everyone's just this like when you look at the EPL in the UK where they have to bring the crowds in at different times and the police have to stand down the lines. And I think it's really, really sad that that's the case. Can we talk about the moon?

SPEAKER_02 6:26

We can. We'll talk about the moon. Here's a text for you that says, uh, Roger, is there any value of the old saying, if your feet are warm, you shouldn't feel the cold.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

Oh yes. Well, I agree, I totally agree with that as well. Here's a tip for you put socks on to go to bed at night, and you will actually go to sleep quicker. If you put your socks on with your feet.

SPEAKER_02 6:47

We're all writing that down.

SPEAKER_01 6:48

Write it down. Go to bed wearing socks. Yeah, put your socks on when you go to bed. I I kid you not, there is actually science behind it.

SPEAKER_02 6:54

If you put socks on one of the reasons I'm separated.

SPEAKER_01 6:58

Well, you wore socks. Did you really wear socks on the book?

SPEAKER_02 7:02

Oh, it was it was a discussion point. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

Well, you said You just said you're encouraging people to put it encouraging people to wear socks. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Keeping your feet warm, it actually warms you and puts you to sleep.

SPEAKER_02 7:14

And you know the old song Get Out of My Car. Get out of my bed. Oh, right.

SPEAKER_01 7:20

No socks in the bed. Yeah, see, yeah, I'm I don't disagree with that. And the text from Ray from Painesville here, tubes, is what the long ones were called. Tubes. They were, they were called tubes.

SPEAKER_02 7:30

The cans were called tubes. They were, they were called tubes. Well done, Ray. Excellent work. Uh 133693.

SPEAKER_01 7:37

You wanted to talk about what? Well, what I want to talk about today is I want to talk about is well, first of all, can we talk about the moon? Like, can we just talk about this afternoon? Couldn't look away. Oh, I know. Uh, when they were coming into land, uh, when they were returning to the earth, I remember thinking, oh my god, they're still so far out in space. Because, you know, obviously in today with the technology

Socks In Bed Sleep Hack

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with cameras, etc., we can see so much better with laser, you know. So I remember thinking, oh my god, they're still so far out in space, and it's like an hour to splashdown. How incredible is it? Like it gives me goosebumps thinking about it that they fly off in a rocket from one place, they go up, they go around the earth a few times, they go around the moon, they come back again, they land on the minute, on the minute, yeah, right, within 500 metres of where they were meant to land. And I will tell you this, and I was just having a chat with Joe before I came in.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

I know, you two do your own show out there while I'm working in here and nobody's listening to what we're doing in here.

SPEAKER_01 8:42

That's six minutes of radio silence is like five hours. Yeah, I'll bet. And when you I heard the female when she said, you know, radio check came back in, I actually got emotional. And if I think if you're not a human if you don't get emotional hearing that stuff, knowing that you've got four human beings that have done what they've done coming back through the atmosphere with a heat shield at 4,000 degrees coming through the earth atmosphere, hurtling towards the earth at that speed, and then just to come up and go radio check. And I thought, you've got to be kidding

The Moon Return And Human Emotion

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me. It just made me emotional. It makes me emotional thinking about those four humans doing that.

SPEAKER_02 9:19

One of the things that I was uh certainly taking by them, and uh presumably everybody was, when you look at the pictures that were we were able to see uh of them uh and and the pictures that they were taking was but when you go back to when man landed on the moon and that dreadful, horrible, grainy picture at the time, how the technology behind changed so much in that period of time.

SPEAKER_01 9:42

And lasers have helped that. And I think we've heard the professor that talks to Darren James here in Melbourne on Sunday morning, she's a fantastic listen. Um, and when we talk about lasers, and a lot of this stuff goes via laser now as well. Obviously, not like the lasers that you buy in the shop, but um incredible the signals and the audio and the pictures that were coming back and things like that. Anyway, um I just wanted to comment on that. Uh look at this.

SPEAKER_02 10:07

Uh, that's all I ever wear, says Ray. Just the one sock in bed. Oh that's it. Thank you. We had a sleeping bed. We had to go there. Uh, and all these other people talking about wearing socks in bed. No, would be the answer. I think most people would say no socks in bed.

SPEAKER_01 10:26

Yeah, I understand that.

SPEAKER_02 10:28

But if I say socks in bed, no socks in bed. You said socks. I thought you said socks. No socks in bed. Uh we will do this. Uh, Roger Sutherland's here. I'm Tony McManus, a healthy shift. For those that may not be uh familiar, Roger is a regular contributor to the program. Uh he was a long-serving officer in Vicpol for uh how many? Forty years. Forty years. No one highly regarded. Have a look at his Instagram, which is a underscore healthy underscore shift.

SPEAKER_01 10:56

Yep. And the podcast, which is on every platform that you can find. If you just search for a healthy shift, you'll find the podcast and all 360 episodes of it now.

SPEAKER_02 11:06

Uh when you're going to invite me onto your little podcast.

SPEAKER_01 11:09

Funny she mentioned that. Melissa actually mentioned that. Why don't you get T Mac on as a as a podcast guest?

SPEAKER_02 11:14

No, what value would I be? I've got I got nothing to say. Uh it is Australia overnight. Just keeping an eye on uh going down, as they say, it's going down to the war in the US Open. This is the Masters, I beg your pardon, the uh 26 Masters Augusta National. Uh the latest that we've got, uh just to bring people uh up to date, is that the uh latest one now? Leaderboard would be uh McElroy is on uh 11 in the lead for the tight. Cameron Young on eleven, one back Sam Burns, ten, Shane Lowy, uh Lowry, uh Jason Day, Justin Rose, and the rest in there. So um the uh the big Mac uh might be back in a big way. Cameron, they're both uh leading. So it's one to watch. Good refuser. You don't play the golf, do you? It's a good walk stuffed up.

SPEAKER_01 13:01

Oh, that's a bit cliche. Well, it is, but it is. But there's always that one shot that brings you back, isn't there? Always. Every time you go and play,

Healthy Shift Background And How To Join

SPEAKER_01 13:09

you hit that one shot, and it you go, yeah, I can play this, I can do this.

SPEAKER_02 13:14

Earlier in the program, uh we were inundated with some uh funny expressions, funny sayings, some that you don't hear that often anymore. Yep. Uh one was hanky panky. Oh god. Nobody uses the word hanky, the expression hanky panky. No, no, they don't. Too old-fashioned?

SPEAKER_01 13:31

Hanky panky? Probably, yeah, I think that would be the answer.

SPEAKER_02 13:34

So we so we looked it up as to the various um descriptions of the expression hanky panky. Yep. And it's not necessarily just what you think, it could mean you're up to no good generally.

SPEAKER_01 13:47

Absolutely. Hanky panky was no good. Here's one, here's a classic, where it's changed its meaning, right, from what it used to be. You and I, in years to gone by, we would hook up. As in we had catch-up. It was a catch up. You and I'd catch up. Every time I say that around my kids, oh my god, I get told off every time because hook up now is actually, you know, Hanky Panky. Hanky panky, yeah. Hooking up.

SPEAKER_02 14:14

So so we're not allowed to say, as a fish person, if you're going out fishing, I'm hooking up. If you're going out fishing.

SPEAKER_01 14:19

Oh my god, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. That's an absolute no no. No, we don't. And you you would never say to one of your mates, Oh, I'm I'm I'm hooking up with Rog on the weekend, because that would that would conjure up all sorts of images in people's minds.

SPEAKER_02 14:33

Yeah. In the new generation. Well, you know, unless unless we were going dancing first. Or dinner. Or dinner and a movie.

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Hello.

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Hello. Dinner and a movie. See, that was a lovely thing. If you that was a date, wasn't it? You go for dinner or a bite to eat and dinner and a movie.

SPEAKER_01 14:51

It's like when I go and see my urologist, I say, What, no dinner and movie first?

SPEAKER_02 14:55

Yeah, and I uh so when did you when you were growing up, and this is the other topic that you probably missed out on, you would have loved it earlier. Uh did you have uh breakfast, lunch, and tea or breakfast, lunch and dinner?

SPEAKER_01 15:08

We had breakfast, lunch and tea. But I have changed to dinner now. Yeah. Because it's become modern. Tea's very English, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 15:15

Uh well, we determined, I think, uh, I think it was Jan, was it Jan that mentioned that? That talked about the history of those terms. And it was almost as if uh the very highfalutin people were having dinner, uh, but the rest of us were having tea.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

Yeah, yeah. Um I I don't know so I hear people still say, What are you having for tea? And I think, oh God, that sounds weird. It sounds weird. It sounds weird now. Like, what are you having for tea?

SPEAKER_02 15:41

So my much loved uh sister-in-law says, uh, Anthony, what would you like for tea? Yep. And I go, Well, I'll have a biscuit. That's to go with your tea. With the tea. Yeah. And she said, No, we you know, for dinner, she then she'll correct herself and say, Dinner. Yep. But she still uses the expression, uh, what are we having for tea? Or I've got to start cooking tea.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

Yep. That's right, I've got to start cooking tea. But it is, yeah, I know I I've got some buddies of mine that I used to go camping with, and he would say, What are we doing for tea?

SPEAKER_02 16:09

Yeah, here's one for you, uh, especially from uh Vicky who says, and I quote, uh, could you mention to Roger the quiet radio silence with Artemis was like calling code nine and hoping to hear the sound of sirens coming towards you?

SPEAKER_01 16:24

Yeah, code nine is police in trouble on the radio. If someone calls code nine, it doesn't matter what you are doing or where you are, you drop everything and you head straight there as fast as you can get. How common would a code nine? Uh today, not much at all. If you do hear one now, it's absolute panic stations because the radios have actually changed now. Um, thanks, Vicky, for your text too. And I see your registered number there. Well done. That's a long time, too. Um that's her service number that she's put in there. We won't read it out, but that's her service number, and um, it shows that she's done many years. I'd say approximately 35, 34 years. I'd say you determine that from that number. Because I know what my number was. My number was 2436, my registered number. And um, this number hereabouts. Yeah, I'd say probably good 37 years there. 37 years.

SPEAKER_02 17:22

Vicky, uh confirm or deny, send another text together.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

Just send us a text and let us know. I reckon I'm about the money, about 37 or 30, yeah, about 37 years. Um code nine means if if you opened the radio and came up code nine urgent, then you it you were waiting for sirens. And that silence waiting could be forever.

SPEAKER_02 17:39

Roger Sutherland's here. It is a healthy shift, or is it one double three six nine three? There you go. Uh, you've heard back from uh Vic, uh so you're pretty well right. Third tone of ADA. Yeah, well done, Vic. Uh good work. Uh we'll do this when we come back. Uh your calls. And the question we'll ask is how many steps of day do you get? And are you a walker? 103693. Uh Madonna was doing that all those years ago, nothing like a bit of hanky panky. And it's a good thing. Nothing like a good spanky. Yeah, I know. So she had it there all those years ago. Yep. Uh from I think that was Dick Tracy. Yeah, from Dick Tracy? Yeah, pretty sure it was Madonna.

SPEAKER_01 18:47

Can I talk about this text?

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You can.

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I've got to take you.

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Well, hang on, let's just welcome everybody who's joining us for the first time at five o'clock.

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Welcome to everybody that's joining us for the first time at five o'clock on your way to work. That's right. As you've grabbed what you've had to grab, jumped in the car and off you go on your way to work.

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Good boy. Uh Roger Sutherland is that voice. I'm Tony McMatteris. It is a healthy shift, numerous resources and links for help and all that sort of stuff. Yep. A healthy shift, of which Roger uh pretty much puts together and he joins us every couple of weeks on the program Australia Overnight.

SPEAKER_01 19:20

I have a text here from a former colleague of mine from when I worked down at St. Kilda at the highway patrol down there. And this is when I worked there from 1986 to 1988. Now he says, Good morning, Roger. Long live the tapes,

Where 10,000 Steps Came From

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which is the Digitector at Queensway in Windsor. Now, you know the Queensway underpass as you come in and you come in Princess Side. We used to go out in the morning and put the tapes right across that. So as people took off from Chapel Street and went down that under that underpass. Now it used to be a 60 kilometre zone there. I'm not sure. I think it's 70 now, but it should be 60.

SPEAKER_02 19:55

Yeah, because I go around sometimes that way.

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And we'd hit the tapes, and everyone used to abuse us saying, Oh, why would you do it running down a hill? You know, we never used to pull people over until they were doing over a hundred kilometres an hour through there, right? Is it is it coming into town? Coming into town.

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Okay. Right. So it's just a pretty good run there, because you go over Chapel Street and around. It's like six lanes wide. It's six lanes, you think there's no bang.

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And all of a sudden we're down under the underpass there with the digitector across the road or the tapes, right? So they'd run over the tapes. Remember, they were 25, 25 metres apart, I think, from memory. And um, they would run over, we'd get the reading, and then we'd step out on the road and pull them in.

SPEAKER_02 20:35

And how far further down the road?

SPEAKER_01 20:37

Oh, you'd be another probably three, four hundred metres at least down the road. So you could see them coming. Was it accurate? Oh, yeah, it was accurate. Well, you're always good. It was air pressure, yeah, of course. Of course it was accurate. But I want to say this about this text, because I'm I'm not going to give his name, but I'll just give it as Andy. His classic line was when he used to pull someone over, was he would go to the driver and he would say, The sun is shining, the birds are flying, produce your licence, my good man. That's fantastic. That's how good is that?

SPEAKER_02 21:07

That's almost sweet. Thanks, Andy.

SPEAKER_01 21:08

Right, that was great memory, that one there. I'm sure he'll smiling, but that is. And do you know what? He would put that in his statement when he went to court. What he said was literally what he told the magistrate. The magistrate would have smiled. It was exactly the same thing every time.

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Uh 13 degrees here in Melbourne Town with the top of 19. Uh Perth, for you, it's 16.5 degrees on that way to 27 degrees in uh Perth. Uh and Adelaide uh 12.5 on the way for uh 21. If you'd like to join the program, 133693 while Roger's here. Yep. Uh so the topic is Right.

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Now, do you get out and walk on a date? Now you're you're a shift worker, yeah, and you sleep between your nights like you do five nights. Do you get out and walk? Uh I've been a bit uh laxadasal in the last couple of weeks. Yeah. Now, the benefits of walking, I want to talk about a new piece of research that's come out.

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But I was doing a lot over Christmas and New Year.

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We hear 10,000 steps every day. I want the callers to call us and let us know where the 10,000 steps a day actually came from. Where did that come from? Right? Why is it 10,000 steps? And I'll give you a fascinating piece of trivia. Why, why, no, who who said 10,000? Is it evidence? Is it uh where did that 10,000 steps a day come from? Because it's a really interesting topic because when you go and see a PT or you go and see a health coach or something, everyone says, Oh, now you've got to get 10,000 steps a day. But where did the 10,000 steps a day come from? Is it actual factual? Is there any benefit to 10,000 steps a day? And why is it 10,000 steps? And I'll tell you why. At the moment, you're just doing your incidental movement, and you're probably getting, and everyone tracks. Their steps on their smart watches. You've got an Apple Watch or your Garmin or you've got whatever. And everyone's tracking their steps. And they all have a rough idea around about how many steps a day they actually do. Now, I personally average somewhere between 12 and 15,000 steps a day. I do walk, I do move a lot, and I get 12 and 15 between 12 and 10. Does that include going from your bedroom to the kitchen? Yeah, well, remember it's on a watch. That's hardly exercise though. Wait, it's movement. Now wait a minute. Let's talk about are tracking apps accurate? The answer to that is no, they are not, right? They are not. Watches are not accurate. So what actually happens is we look at our watch, but we are still comparing yesterday to today and tomorrow and the day after that. So as to whether it's tracking actual steps or movement, we're still comparing one day to the next. But the recent research has told us that someone starting out walking going from 2,000 steps to 7,000 steps a day, right? So someone who doesn't really move but gets up to 7,000 steps a day is decreasing mortality by wait for it 47%. Oh, so you're telling us no good for us? No, decreasing mortality, right? Oh right, okay. Decreasing mortality by 47%. Now that means that the just increasing to 7,000, which a lot of people would do, has a massive benefit, up to 7,000 steps. So everyone trying to get 10. Well done on getting 7,000 to start off with. And then if you go from 7 to 12 and a half thousand, you can add another 18% onto that. So you're up to around 65% or so of decrease in mortality from the steps. And we've got the callers.

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Roger Sutherland, written and spoken by Roger Sutherland on behalf of the Victorian Liberal Party. I'm not talking about Victorian Liberal Party. What are you doing? Yeah, I just thought I'd throw it in. Tanya Mount Eliza, morning.

SPEAKER_06 24:57

Oh, good morning, Tony. Good morning, Roger. How are you both this morning?

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See, there's only one watch you ever really need to wear, Tanya.

SPEAKER_06 25:05

Well, I was about to say to Roger, now, Roger, has Tony got two watches on or does he have one on? One. He's got one on today.

SPEAKER_02 25:14

It's got Mickey Mouse hands on it, and I don't understand why. No, so I'm not double wristing, is what you were going to say, Tanya.

SPEAKER_06 25:20

That's exactly what I was about to say. And I was also going to comment on when you said hanky panky means you're up to no good. Well, I don't know about that, because anytime I've done some hanky panky, it's always been very good.

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There you go. Tadja's all over it. That almost deserves a big round of applause. No, he hasn't got his finger on the button. Tanya, that was outstanding. Excellent work. Outstanding.

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Round of applause for those that this time of the morning wasn't no good, but very good. Very good.

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Not bad at 5 a.m.

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Thank you. Uh Rob in Frankstone. Good morning, Rob. Morning.

SPEAKER_05 25:57

I reckon the 10,000 steps came from a Japanese advertising campaign.

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Something similar.

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100%. Back in 1965 for the Tokyo Olympics. It was for a pedometer that was being released. And it was part of the advertising campaign that went with the pedometer, and it has stuck for 60 years. And it's inaccurate. So well done. That's excellent, Rob.

SPEAKER_02 26:21

How did you did you just uh did you look that up, Rob, or you just had the back of the uh back of the mind?

SPEAKER_05 26:26

No, I've heard a caught up on AW before.

SPEAKER_02 26:29

Oh, there you go. Thank you. Nothing's new on the book. So I'm not first. I'm not first, you're not the first. No. Oh dear. Good on you. Uh I mean there'd be

Real Step Counts And What Matters

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people uh probably about to step out now. Now I haven't had a look at it. We had much drizzle, much drizzle as you speak. No, it's not.

SPEAKER_01 26:43

Not when I went out, not when I came in, it was beautiful this morning. Twelve and a half degrees out there, as you said when I was driving in.

SPEAKER_02 26:49

Uh thank you. Well I did mention.

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And I compared it to what was on the dashboard on my car and it was spot on.

SPEAKER_02 26:54

So you were accurate. I know. Tony Mac, the accurate one. Or was that a race caller of renown? Uh your calls, come and join us the other side. 133693. The text line, we love you for it. 0477 693 693. There is a really lovely note here. It says uh Roger and T Mac, uh 10,000 steps uh converted into K's approximately around about eight kilometres, about five miles. Okay, five miles in God's measurements.

SPEAKER_00 27:24

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 27:25

Uh I'm another one says, uh, I'm a shift order, do shift worker, do 17,000 to 20,000 steps on a day shift, and on night shift I'll be lucky to get three to five.

SPEAKER_01 27:35

Why the distinction? Now, this is fantastic, and and I love this because this is what we call controlling the controllable. Because when you're on night shift, you can't get out and get the steps that you would like to be able to get. But what this call is doing, the text that ends in 404 or number that ends in 404, is actually telling us that when they can get the steps, they're getting a lot. But what I want people to understand is this balances out over the week. All right. So if you were to look at while they're on nights and they're only getting three to five, and then when they're on day shift, they're getting more, it balances out as to an average over the week. And we want to average around 7,000 steps a week every day for a week.

SPEAKER_02 28:17

You would hope that was the case. But somebody who might be uh, say, working in a supermarket overnight doing those very important jobs for the shelves, they'd be doing a fair bit of walking. Of course, I would imagine.

SPEAKER_01 28:27

Yep. And and also, what about nurses? Nurses are running around on their food overnight, all night as well. Um, and their steps start from midnight as well. So if they're on night shift, they're starting to do that. But another thing I want to say is about the police wearing all of the gear that they're wearing as well, even if they're only getting two or three thousand steps, because of all the weight that they're wearing and carrying around as well, let's give them some kudos for carrying that around at the same time. So there's more in that.

SPEAKER_02 28:55

Can you did you ever wear that all that? Oh, yeah. You did. But not 25, 30 years ago. No, no, God, no, not then.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

No, no, no. But in the in the um towards the end. It's horrendous. Justine, hello.

SPEAKER_03 29:08

Good morning. Good morning. Um, would you like me to talk about hanky panky or my steps?

SPEAKER_02 29:14

Oh, hanky panky.

SPEAKER_01 29:15

Steps go with the step. I think we better go with the steps. How many steps a day do you get, Justine?

SPEAKER_04 29:20

Minimum 10,000.

SPEAKER_01 29:21

That is amazing. Fantastic.

SPEAKER_04 29:24

I'm not a shift worker. I I work during the day and I feel like I work during the night. I won't go to bed until I've done 10,000 and I literally I'm a bit cray cray. I'll just walk up the drive. I have to now.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

I know what you're gonna say here. It becomes so disordered, doesn't it? That you're gonna go to bed and you're on 9,500, so you have to walk around the house to get that last 500. Is that true?

SPEAKER_03 29:45

Or just up the driveway?

SPEAKER_02 29:46

Oh, just up the driveway. And you reckon I have a disorder here.

SPEAKER_01 29:50

500 steps.

SPEAKER_02 29:51

You make me laugh.

SPEAKER_01 29:52

A lot of people do it though.

SPEAKER_02 29:53

I know. I've seen people walk around a newsroom doing it just to get the steps. Just to get the steps. But they're getting movement. That's important. Yeah, it is. Uh William, good morning. Good morning, Tony.

SPEAKER_05 30:02

Good morning, Roger.

SPEAKER_00 30:03

Yeah. Good morning.

SPEAKER_05 30:04

Just a quick just a quick one for you. Roger, as an ex uh cop, and you would have done a few of these ABOs and things like that. Yes. How come perjury doesn't have any weight in the family law court?

SPEAKER_01 30:15

What a great question. What a fantastic Does perjury have any weight anywhere these days at all? People seem to be able to say whatever they want and get away with it with no consequence at all. Like how many people lodge complaints? Um there's a very topical one in the news at the moment with this Ben Robert Smith. Who's going to be held accountable for that?

SPEAKER_05 30:36

That's a very good question.

SPEAKER_01 30:37

You know, a lot of there's a lot of lot of cases that people lodge complaints and put complaints in, and then there's no accountability. It's either not found not guilty, and then the next thing that happens is we actually have people who, you know, they get off and then it's all written off, but then there's no more as in, hang on a second, you said this. Where's the accountability?

SPEAKER_02 31:00

Isn't that the role though for uh the magistrate and or his or her to actually be aware uh and challenge that?

SPEAKER_01 31:08

Well, no, not not his honour. No, his honour doesn't make the dis he makes the decisions over what's presented to them. To the court. But he he doesn't get to say no, that's perjury. It's up to the prosecutor to present the case of perjury to the court. It doesn't seem to happen ever. So many people get away. So many people get away from lobbing unfounded complaints at people. You can stand up in court and say anything you like, and for it's really challenged. No, I'm I'm not going to say that, really, but I will say that so many times people are found not guilty of offences, and the next thing is there's no accountability for that person. I know I've been a victim of complaints that have been made, right? And these people can lob

Perjury Accountability And Court Reality

SPEAKER_01 31:49

complaints. There's a lot of complaints that are lobbed against the police all the time. And what they should be saying to the person is, are you prepared to go to jail if this doesn't get up? Yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 31:59

That's a subtle bit of distinction. Uh there's a great text there that asks the question, would you rather have hanky panky or slap and tickle? What are the distinctions? Oh, well, that's an interesting I don't know either. Rod again, Eaton Giersbury. Just reading the text. Uh Giersband, good morning.

SPEAKER_05 32:16

Oh, good morning to you both. Just two things. I had an uncle and an aunt that never got off the couch. They never moved. And they lived to nearly 90 years of age. Incredible. That's one thing. Yes? Yeah, it never moved. So it sort of flies into in the face of what you're saying a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 32:36

Does that mean they would have lived to over a hundred? But Rod, they're an N1 and two. There are obviously there are unique cases of people. We don't know how they live their life health-wise as well. Like as far as were they getting daylight, were they getting sunlight? Were they near windows? These things make a huge difference. Were they getting good sleep? Um, you know, there's a lot of confounding variables in relation to a bit like the year smoking uh scenario.

SPEAKER_02 33:02

I smoked all my life and lived to 95. There's always an M1. There's always, yeah. One double three six nine three, more straight after this. I bought my togs, you got yours ready to go. You betcha I'm off for a swim now. Okay, I might come with you. Thank you. A healthy shift. Have a look at it. A healthy shift.com, uh, Roger Sutherland. Uh the boys are ready to go. That is Jimmy Bartell and Mark Allen sitting in for Ross and Russ. Uh, Tom Elliott uh gets underway from 8 30. Tony, old Tony, is back in the chair in the afternoon from midday. Heidi Murphy on the drive program just after three this afternoon. I'm Tony Mack. For all we know, we may never meet again. May our hands only ever be held out in friendship and never, never, never in what.