Welcome And Meet Roger

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Roger Sutherland, a healthy shift. Victorian law enforcement officer, if you don't mind. How many decades? Four. Uh Roger. Now these days, as you know, uh works very closely working with Shift Workers to thrive and do beautifully. Working Shift Roger gives shift workers more energy and we need some energy. Roger, good morning. Good morning to you. How are you? This morning have a look at the Healthyshift.com, a healthyshift.com. Uh if you want to know more about what Roger does, what do you do?

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Oh, well, I coach shift workers now, teach them how to thrive, not just survive. It's a really tough time at the moment for our shift working community. Our frontline health and emergency services are really under an awful lot of pressure at the moment. I'm getting so much feedback as to just how hard it is. From is it is it escalated since the time since you left? Oh, it's horrendous. It's got really, really bad now as well. Um, like the problem is there's there's no money, and it's not that there's no there doesn't seem to be any money for any education, there's no money for any support. Um mental health services have been closed down. So as a previous caller uh mentioned, Shane, we're in debt. Well, we are, but how do we get there? It's through poor management, like really, really poor management. Well, we I think we know how we got there. Yeah, well, we do, but that doesn't make that's not an excuse. We still have to have emergency services and our frontline health out there, fully funded, fully supported in every way. Like we can't turn and say, Oh, but we've got no money. Well, we have no money.

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And the same with the teachers, we'd love to be able to pay the teachers more. God only knows we need more nurses and to look after all this, and the police and the faries and everybody else involved, but we have no money. You can't use that excuse. Well, how do you reverse it? How do we What are we doing?

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They've got to be held accountable. If this was a business. Well, they will be accountable at the next election. No, they I understand, totally understand that. Which other way can we hold them accountable? You can't go to the chief commissioner of police and the head of the ambulance

Frontline Funding And Accountability

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and say, Oh, I'm sorry, but we've just got no money now, you just got to make do. We are destroying police officers. And when I mean destroying them, we're destroying them mentally.

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But Roger, let's assume for a moment that you were appointed the head of the police department. Yeah. And your role is to do the very best, is it not, uh, for the police department?

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Yeah, but you you've been given a budget, and that budget has another fifty million taken out of it. Oh, let me just raise this point with you, and I think it's a really important point. How hard do you think it is for the police officers that are out there, away from their own families, working nights, working their days, getting absolutely slaughtered on the front line at the moment in every way, to then find out that our Premier, the allegation is that the $15 billion, $15,000 million dollars has gone to corruption. Well and truly documented. Yeah, it's well, it's well and truly documented. Well, oh sorry, we haven't got any money. Now, what really infuriates me even more is we turn around because we don't have a cost of living crisis, we've got a cost of government spending crisis at the moment. Now we turned around, the Premier comes out yesterday and goes, Here's this free public transport for you. No, it is not free. We are paying for it. We have paid for that. Through our taxes and through everything that we're putting in, we have paid for that. It's like all this free money that was given out through COVID. We're still paying for that.

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And we'll be paying that for you and I won't be here, and it still won't be paid.

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No, no, that's right. And it'd be two generations on. Our children won't be paying for it. But they stand there and they make out like, oh, it's free money. And the the saddest thing is the people that rely on that free money are the ones that are not out there earning it. That's one of the biggest problems. They're they're not out there earning it. So they will continue to vote the people that are handing them free money back in. That's a massive issue. And the preferences, the preferential votes will go in there. People need to be very careful with this election. Very, very careful.

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Uh lots of text coming in. Uh, just had a message for Chris. The Nazi Party uh were not Muslims, so when we generalize in all groups, it can be dangerous. Good point there from uh Michael. Thank you for uh highlighting that. Another one, $27 billion in the black under Howard Costello, and then along came Kevin 07. And it all went pear-shaped from there, says Bruce of Baronia. Another one says, For goodness sake, Shane, just be quiet. Or words to the words. What's to that effect? It's probably a way of tidying it up. Uh over 300 million Muslims up the top of Australia in Indonesia. Well, yes, there may be. So so again, I respectfully ask text ending in 713, given that there is a s uh th uh what'd you say, 300 million up there in Indonesia? Uh w what do you do about that? I mean, what's the why is that even a consideration? What do you what are you suggesting that should be done? Or i should anything be done? Because a lemming drive. Because have because have a lemmington drive.

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Well that's what that's a tax there. Have a lemmington drive. I offer government debt.

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Thanks, Champ. Yeah, that's a good one. Thank you. Uh we got other things we'll talk about. What do you want to talk about? Blue light. Uh the blue light in here, it's a bit dull and boring at the moment. I've turned everything down just because I knew you were coming in.

SPEAKER_02 5:39

Yeah, yeah, I know, but I'm up and about, you see, this morning, so I want the blue light this morning. That's why I don't wear my filtered lenses when I come in first thing.

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Yeah, so you've got your different glasses on.

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Well, I don't wear

Debt Anger And Spending Priorities

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the filtered lenses when I come in because I now want the blue light to wake up and get going. I don't want this high energy visible, but um, the bottom line is um I'm getting on with my day now, so I'm awake and I will stay awake now for the rest of the day. Uh and you don't have a nap later? Oh no. No nap. Oh, there'll be a poppy nap. There will be a nap. Oh, there'll be a poppy nap. Don't you love that nap?

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That's the best nap. And people sometimes make you feel guilty in your family because you have a nap? No. Nobody said. Never.

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And most of the time I'm sent.

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Sent for a nap. Told, settle down, go and have a nap. I think it's nap time, is what I'm told. Roger Sutherland is here. Come and join us. 133693. Lots of text, keep them coming. Uh the ABC want to pay pay rise. So as part of that budget, do we then say, oh, you know, no? Do we need the ABC? Ooh. There's a talk point just there. So you would, as part of your premiership or your prime ministership, you would close down the ABC. Yeah, I would. Yep.

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Wow.

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Come and have your say. Anything you're honorable A's on the program, uh feel free. Uh Roger Sutherland is here from A Healthy Shift. 122 or 122. Uh 133 693 882. Uh 183 882 is for uh our listeners in Perth. 183693 for rest of uh $767 billion approximately, according to the information that Jace uh just uh checked for me. $767 billion debt. Incredible.

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That's $767,000 million. Manageable. Did you um here on uh 30W here in Melbourne, uh Fly of the Underworld spoke about if you got $10 notes and laid $10 notes end-to-end for the $15 billion debt, right, in this state, it would go round the globe four and a half times. Yeah, a lot of money. Not disputing that. But uh But where did it go? What do we get for it? What about No, what do we get for it? Oh well, we've got some nice tunnels. That no one uses. Do we ask for those? Do we want them? Wouldn't we be better off putting that money in some place and emergency?

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That'll make them the fullness of time as things expand and you know people start to uh use those things and they will become vibrant. I mean, you wouldn't you wouldn't close them down now, would you? You wouldn't bury them again.

SPEAKER_02 8:22

No, no, we've now got them. Yeah, no, I understand that. But the thing is, we are spending money in area I've said this, I've used this analogy over and over again. I'm little Johnny and I'm at home, and I ask mum and dad for new school shoes, and they tell me that they can't afford them. We're sorry, sorry kid, there's no money, we've got nothing at all. So you've got no money for school shoes at all.

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But mum and dad couldn't buy a school boot, but we couldn't mum and dad couldn't buy our football boots in 1967. So things haven't changed that much. We didn't. Did you take the stops out and wear them to school? Yeah, I didn't have footy boots at school. Yeah.

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I understand that. So listen to what I'm saying. I never fin and you never let me finish. All right. The point that I make here is they're telling little Johnny, no, you can't have the school shoes. You can't have them. But I want the I need the new school shoes. And next minute, they've installed a 60-inch colour TV in their bedroom. Now that's what we're dealing with in this state. And how much of that is on debt? Well, it would probably most likely be on debt, or because of it or on what do you call it, afterpay or on latitude or whatever it is that they use to do that. So it's on debt. But they won't buy the school shoes on debt. Gotta remember, does is it more important for them to have a colour TV in in the bedroom, which the child gets the rest of the house gets no benefit out of, or is it more important for little Johnny to have school shoes at school? Now I use this as an analogy all the time purely because we are in a position now where we have no money for nurses, no money for school teaching, we have debt up to our ears, so there's nothing to put into uh ambulance Victoria, there's nothing to put into Victoria Place. So why did Victorians uh vote uh for a Labour government? It's been around a long time. I I I have no idea, but you can't find them. Can't find who? The people who voted for the Labour government.

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Well, I we'll

Blue Light Naps And Waking Up

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ask the audience. I bet there are people listening right now who probably voted for Labour. I've got no doubt. So somebody voted for Labour in uh the state of Victoria. Somebody voted for Labour uh nationally.

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I understand that, but look at all those people now who were looking at the Pauline Hansons and the people outside of Labour now.

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But then but then we're gonna at this stage then we're only gonna have the choice, presumably, between Labour and Pauline Hansen, because what we know is the Liberal Party, both nationally and certainly in the state of Victoria, is piss weak. Oh, it's terrible. And so we don't have a really strong, tough, effective opposition. No, we don't. And we're praying for the rise. The best we're gonna do as a nation is get the rise of Pauline Hansen one notion.

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Yeah. Politics is in a mess in this country. It's an a massive mess thing. We had Brad Batten. I thought Brad Batten was heading in the right direction for the Liberals. I thought he was, you know, ex-co op. I just thought he was talking the right game. No, it did not. No. But I thought he was talking the right game and he was heading in the right direction. All of a sudden, bang slaughtered. Yeah. Um Jess Wilson sits here and chats and doesn't really say what they're doing. No one says what they're doing at all.

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Australia's been in debt to uh foreign powers, Tony and Roger first were in debt to England post-World II, World War II. Uh, and the United States of America uh bought, or rather, took over as the loan broker, and the bulk of Australian debt was increasingly. Oh, there's uh it's up there, sorry. Um I I didn't realise you put it in the middle, thank you. Uh increasingly debt to the United States interest. We also continue to be in debt to uh British banks and a range of European multinational uh transitional interests, says Jan. Thank you. Well I think that's a given. Uh so and and then people like uh Shane, for example, have ideas about well, who's actually who actually who do we owe it to? And then there's all conspiracy theories around that.

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Yeah, I understand. Uh just going back to the Labour thing and the people that voted for it, and and I know we can't capture it, and I don't really want to capture it now, but the thing is, how many people voted Labour in the last election that will definitely vote Labour again in this election? In this coming state election? In the coming state election. How many people would? Because I think that's that's the point now. I think people have watched us Because was Jacinta Rowan voted in?

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So are you No, because she uh took over from Dan. I uh But that's democracy though. I don't have a problem with that. That's democracy.

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Yeah, yeah, no, yes, I understand that. But I wonder how many people that voted for Labour before will vote for Labour again with her in the head. I think she'll roll in the next few weeks.

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Is it is it not a case, Rog, of be very careful for what you wish? I totally agree with you. Do we know that if there was a change of government in Victoria, for example, uh and for whatever reason all of a sudden the Liberal

Tunnels Debt And The School Shoes

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Party jumped up and won the next state election? Unlikely, but they God damn. But really, that would be just don't get me. So you reckon it would be infinitely better than the situation which we have now, and yet it they seem pretty powerless at the moment. They're toothless tigers. They've just knocked somebody else uh out of their out of their upper house. Exactly. The pre-selection.

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Yeah, but can't help themselves. I mean it looks it looks messy from the outside to the public, and I don't think there's any way they can arrest that.

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G'day coven join us. Uh Roger Sutherland is here from a uh healthy shift. For those that are just waking up for the first time, uh Rog is a regular contributor to the program, of course, uh a veteran law enforcement officer. Uh how many decades? Four decades. Thank you. Uh he these days coaches, uh a lot of uh for shift workers in particular, and you and I have a lot of conversations on the air about that, about how to survive in that industry. Have a look at a healthyshift.com. There's lots of various resources there for you to have a look at Instagram, a healthy shift and the healthy shift podcast, which is going along beautifully. Vince, we'll come to you in just a tick. One of the things oh, can I just deal with a couple of these uh texts and then we'll uh talk about uh Federal Labour Party I think got 37% of the primary vote due to preferential votes uh not to govern. Don't vote according to party, how to vote cards, your vote, not parties. Uh look, you know, that's democracy. I mean uh people keep telling me that.

SPEAKER_02 15:14

I know, but people are confused by it because it's a very convoluted system. You don't just go in and go, I'm voting for Tony McManus or I'm voting for Roger Sutherland. Because the way the voting is structured, preferential votes go and people are unaware of that. Yeah, but you're aware of it. A lot of people, the common the common gen pop are not aware of that. They go in and they just put the numbers to let me.

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That suggests that there are sufficient people in numbers who just don't care enough to give it any greater consideration. 100% there is. But is it so what's the better version of that? How do we provide ourselves a better version for that to get the outcome that you say many would want? How do you dismantle it?

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I I I've got no idea how you dismantle it, but we need education. Um we need education on where does your preference vote go? People have got to understand it's not just that you're voting for Liberal or Labour. You need to understand where number two, three, four, five, six is where they all end up, because that is the key.

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Uh safe to say, every person employed in a major government construction project, Tony and Roger, and likely families will vote Labour. They will. They want to assure high wages guaranteed. That could be as high as 500,000 votes or 10 percent, hard to lose it from uh there. And that's 100 percent the problem. And uh I've been had people have the crack at me, which is great. Again, I told sounds like you don't think being increasing debt is a problem, or use the analogy. Uh you owing, say, two hundred thousand dollars in your house, which the bank has called in uh

Voting Preferences And Voter Education

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for the money, and you must pay it back. What happens to you and your family next? Unfortunately, many families are in this position. It's getting worse. Some people are borrowing and spending on meaningless things while others use the money to just get by in life. Uh Tom. Um Yeah, well, I don't know how to respond to that. I guess uh if anybody is in debt, I mean the biggest debt that you have usually is your house and or a car quite often, isn't it?

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Yes, but then you don't go off, although do people go off and then put a holiday on on debt and then go and buy another holiday house and then and it this is what the government the perception is, this is what the government's doing. Even though we're in up to our absolute ears and drowning in debt, why are we then going off and just investing, not even investing, just putting money, money hand over fist, into a whole new area?

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Uh you say, and I think in fairness, I think you're probably right, there's evidence for that, that given this climate in which we live, uh whether it be uh to do uh with uh debt, which is a major issue for uh many, the climate of the world at the moment probably has uh presents uh challenges. Uh but then how do you get this so-called me time? What's the time that you have? What is the notion? What are you doing for me time and how important is it?

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Yeah, I think a lot of people use this term me time. I just need some me time, and what do we do? We pick up our phone or we plonk on the couch, pick up the remote control, and we're watching TV. And what we're doing is we're just adding a lot more stimuli into our system. I just wanted to talk about um a situation that's happened to me in the last week. I um uh I swim. I swim five days a week and I swim 30 laps. And you'll be leaving here and go for a swim. As soon as I leave here, I'll be going for a swim this morning as well. Now, I find it very calming, very relaxing. Now, during the week I was swimming and I felt this incredible wave of emotion come over me and I let go. I had to stop swimming, right? I'm dealing with some really significant stress in the background in my life at the moment. Were you surprised by that? Well, I was aware of what was happening, only because I am a breathwork facilitator myself as well. So I was aware of exactly what was going on, and what was happening was my body felt safe to let go. Right. So now I know this is gonna sound a bit happy clapper, but what happens is

Real Me Time Without More Stimulus

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in our life today, what we do is we are constantly, constantly stimulated by what we're looking at. We're picking up our phone, it's the text messages, it's the it's the phone calls, it's put the TV on, oh, what's happening on social media, what's Jenny doing? It's the stress from work, and what happens is our body never gets a chance to actually relax and let go of all those loops. We move from one thing to the next over and over and over again, and we never get to just actually relax. Now, when I get in the pool, what haven't I got? My phone, what haven't I got? Noise, what haven't I got? No TV, no radio, no music, no nothing. It's me versus the black line. And what happens is because of that regular breathing, that regular breathing pattern and the pressure of the water around the body, what actually happens is your body feels safe and it opens those loops and it lets that emotion actually go, and then you get this real calm sensation over you afterwards. Um, what we do in society today is when we are dealing with stresses, we busy ourselves with more stresses. So, how many times do we find in our life at the moment what we do is we get up, we check our phone, we're on our way to work, we listen to the radio, we're um check the phone again. Nobody's forcing us to do that though. No, no, that no, but what we've done is we've got addicted to it. Now, Meta have Meta have they had to settle before the courts? It's before the courts because their platforms have become so addictive. It refreshes, we don't realize it is actually blunting our dopamine. And this is why what happens is people now, because they're looking at their phones all the time, they need more and more and more stimuli just to survive. Just to survive, they need more stimuli. So the more and more we add, the more we're stressing our nervous system.

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133693. Uh, we'll take some calls. Uh Vince in Kearore, good morning.

SPEAKER_01 22:22

Good morning, Tony. Good morning, Roger. Good morning to you. I wanted to say, I heard that call of previously he was talking about needing to get rid of that ideology. Well, I think that's nonsense. I don't think it's got anything to do with um that particular ideology or any other ideology. I think the problem here is that uh inconsistent, non-transparent um leadership by those in government uh has resulted in what not a loss of speech, but a killing effect. Um you know, the threshold, the boundary limitations and free speech has become inconsistently policed and so you don't we don't really know where the threshold is and so that's creating stress. Uh and I think that that sort of gets on to what Roger was was talking about before. If you've got I think when w when you don't when you when you when something changes, something you're not used to and you don't know where the where that threshold is is, you're on constant vigilance mode. Hyper vigilance.

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Hyper vigilance.

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Yep. Yep yep yep yep. So I yeah so I think that that uh yeah I think that that sort of um uh leans into what what Roger's talking about 100%.

SPEAKER_02 23:28

And the other thing can I just raise with you as well what's become your new normal we are now accepting of so much that we would never have accepted going back five years ago ten years ago every day when we turn the news on and the Premier stands there and tells us something we go it doesn't surprise me at all every time we turn the news on yeah I'm not surprised at all what has become our new normal I think this is a massive problem for what's become so Vince it's a great call and I thank you for your contribution to the program.

SPEAKER_03 23:59

What's the difference between uh the news that the late great Brian Naylor was delivering going back 25, 30 years ago and the so-called turning on and watching the news today for those that actually turn on and watch the news. And and nowhere near as many do that now as they did twenty five or thirty years ago with Brian.

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Do you believe what you're watching on the TV half the time? Well I don't or do you think it's a manufactured agenda? Well I do. That's I don't watch I I just had that conversation with you off air. We don't turn our television on at all because you think the news is manufactured. I I I think they just push a certain agenda to us as to what they want us to believe and see.

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COVID showed us this time very clearly it showed us by it it just made us so excited on on certain or terrified us or you know everyone yeah I Look I I I get that a lot of it's not particularly palatable and you see time after time after time of a uh tobacco shop burning it's not just the tobacco shop burning. Australia overnight I guess the question that we've asked is what do you do for me time? For for me time and you would you

Media Trust Free Speech And Hypervigilance

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so you're making the assertion uh that many uh just consume by the cycle uh consume by uh addictions associated with uh certainly the phone and what else I'll give you an example of how bad your nervous system is what I want you to do everybody that's listening everybody what I want you to do today when you get home from work is I want you to sit and face a white wall and just stare at it for ten minutes and tell me how long you last.

SPEAKER_02 25:52

But that's a bit like meditation takes you a little while to get your head around the idea of of uh meditating No no we're just gonna focus on the breath breathing we're just gonna focus on the breath I'll show you I'm telling you see you say oh yeah but that's just meditating I can't do that I can't quite in my mind and there is I've made my point.

SPEAKER_03 26:11

Very quickly a couple of texts here these days media keep focusing on things like the constant protest creating anger for viewers so that's the intention. Yes. Is that right? You have the choice of not watching it I guess. Yep totally I think Tony he is one this is uh about you uh 100% the market of the media push exactly the agenda they want us to believe regards Razor. So you feel that is the same too the part of the cycle is about so if you if you pick up the paper you reckon that uh that headline there is contrived absolutely is to make us feel agitated. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 26:49

Tommy good morning good morning T Mac and Roger how are you lads? Good morning Roger I couldn't agree more with you mate it's fantastic how someone's actually saying it I just wish you were saying it say at nine o'clock during the day the news media they ask questions and as soon as they put any pressure on the government or anyone up there speaking they kind of go to water and it's blatantly obvious isn't it oh it's a disgrace we're not stupid out here. No we're not some of us know some of us know what's going on and they just push their agenda constantly and what I also Roger what annoys me mostly is as soon as they get voted out in say four, five, six years time they turn it all the way round and then they get a cushy job running a hospital or working in the tunnels or something like that. Smart of a cooler running the GP what's his what's your MO to actually do that type of stuff.

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We're not idiots Jerome Weimar is a classic example of that.

SPEAKER_04 27:50

Oh 100% that is you've hit the nail on the head there he's had the best cushiest jobs over the last ten years and like you said the pushing the agenda of the COVID and I think that opened up a lot of people's eyes saying it did indeed they're just doing one way.

SPEAKER_02 28:05

Whether we wanted to believe whether we wanted to believe conspiracy or not it opened people's eyes to get them to start questioning.

SPEAKER_03 28:13

I think if people we should have always we always question people but training as a journalist in particular is to question everything. If I question people on the program for example I'll say well why do you think like that I'll get 30 really vicious texts asking how dare you ask that question saying how dare you ask that question.

SPEAKER_02 28:39

But there's also another 30 people that go yes Tony well done great question you know I I I believe it's very very balanced the thing is uh I've I've heard people interviewed on TV and radio like COVID showed like Daniel Andrews was a dreadful time Roger it set an agenda for where we're at today have a look at the premier in her press conferences today and how she speaks down to people and and then like Daniel Andrews was picking who was allowed to be actually at the interviews and who wasn't allowed to be there who was allowed to ask questions what questions were going to be asked we didn't realise just how much was manufactured in the background and I believe that our premier's doing much the same today with a lot of things that are actually occurring like the the the question that was asked you will withdraw that and the arrogance of it was horrendous. I thought it was horrendous.

SPEAKER_05 29:34

Roger we've run out of time uh just a quick call Brendan Gibsland good morning yeah boys hallelujah fantastic it's about time someone come out and and speak the truth it's um it's just so good to hear.

SPEAKER_03 29:49

Thanks Brendan this this agenda is just um is out of control the oil prices the fuel prices is all planned it's um they just want to they want to um they want to destroy Australia well i've got to I've got to explore that a bit further I just I I can't see it but I'm just oh my god you don't believe you're being low to by the by the politicians that really surprised me uh Brendan because I love that the idea of democracy was it's not perfect uh thanks Roger study back to see in a couple of weeks' time you will you will come back to show i've I'm studying back for we know we may never meet again if my hands only ever be held out in friendship never in what