SPEAKER_02: 1:35

Favorite air coming up in just a moment. Roger Sutherland from a Healthy Shift in the studio. Trivs. What's wood? Good morning.

SPEAKER_08: 1:43

Good morning. Yeah, yeah, this uh fifteen billion. I worked on the uh K for storage thing going on in my work on pay restriction. We had the uh weird with the K3. We have we have the forgives with all the contractors on the building side. Yeah, of course they have because they uh management had uh knowledge on the books that never exist and did everything by and they got caught in. So you know this is just kind of crazy.

SPEAKER_02: 2:51

What are you saying based on that history then that there's nothing really that new about the uh uh the current uh situation?

SPEAKER_08: 3:04

I mean I can see what's happening is uh you just start up a company as labor high. Um and you name your own price, and uh the union pushes the other the the genuine ones out and pushes to get these ones in.

SPEAKER_02: 3:22

I can it's it's it's as clear as mud is what yeah, clear as clear as mud. Uh well let's find out. Good to talk to you, Trev. Uh thank you. Here we go. Sort of night shift. Can we still keep using this? It's a good piece of music. Roger Sutherland, a healthy shift. Roger, as you may or may not know, uh 40 years a police officer here in Victoria now works night shift workers, does a great job improving sleep energy, and we just chew the fat when he's here. Good morning, Rog. Good morning. Uh it's interesting, really. So, in a sense, you could you could mount an argument, and I'll put this to you. You and I haven't talked about this, uh but let me put this to you. Is it silly to assert that most of us at some point have behaved crookedly?

SPEAKER_11: 4:18

Oh no, I don't think that's silly at all. At some stage we all have tried to do something, but it's but how much impact on others is how much impact on others? Like we can all do like don't get me wrong, as young kids we all may have helped ourselves to a lolly in a shop or something like that. And that is an impact on the owner, isn't it? And in a and it is small, but well it's not well, it is small, it's small to you, but to the shopkeeper it perpetuates, you know, because if everybody helps themselves to one lolly, but fifteen thousand million dollars is a lot of money, bearing in mind it wasn't their money to do that with.

SPEAKER_02: 5:01

We'll come back to that. Yep. Uh historically we've had, and you would know people who, for example, uh often referred to as a bit of a cashie, by definition that's wrong.

SPEAKER_11: 5:12

By definition, yes, it is. That's wrong. But why are they doing that? Why are tradies doing cashies to keep them off the books today? Even up to today, why are they doing that?

SPEAKER_02: 5:24

Yeah. Well, because for the most part, they can and they get away with it.

SPEAKER_11: 5:29

Well, they get slaughtered as well, they get slaughtered, you know, when when they run it through the books and add to their income, their taxation's high, and it causes some problems. So they're running cashies to put money. You know what I mean? They're running cashies. Don't tell me you don't go into a shot. But it's still unlawful. I mean, in the in the it's unlawful. Yes, it is. Yeah, totally. But tell me you don't go into a shop. Like when you go to get one of your watches repaired, do you just put it in and whatever he tells you is how much it's going to cost, or do you try and negotiate with him?

SPEAKER_02: 6:01

Uh well, I think that's a that's different when you're negotiating a price. Yeah, true. That's very different to uh doing it and paying no tax on that payment.

SPEAKER_11: 6:13

What about if you said to the shopkeeper, here's the watch, and he and he quotes you five hundred dollars to fix it, and you say, How much for cash? Although he's still in that position. He's still in the position. But you're not doing the wrong thing. You aren't, the shopkeeper would be.

SPEAKER_02: 6:28

Yeah. Look, it's a it's probably a bit of an ethical uh dilemma for many that's been going on. I mean, we've known uh that people that have uh been in retail, have been in other businesses, and if there was an option uh to do it uh with uh putting the the thousands straight into the trouser, that would happen.

SPEAKER_11: 6:49

Yes, absolutely it would happen.

SPEAKER_02: 6:50

And it's been happening for as long as I've been on the planet.

SPEAKER_11: 6:53

Yeah, and we've heard some of the callers that have called in that that have got experience in money that's been, you know, that they've been privy to or seen where the money's going straight into the pocket and they're taking it and going, knowing full well that it is wrong, yeah, um, without going, hang on a second, where's this coming from? And then and the the irony of all that is, when they get paid, they're paying tax, that's where that money's coming from to pay for it.

SPEAKER_02: 7:22

Did every uh when you think about every cashier, every fish and chip shop owner, every fruiterer, every little greengrocer back in the day, uh did they account for every single pound and or dollar? No, probably not. No, of course not. No. And so I guess where do you where do you forgive? You forego that. And yet this dreadful thing that we've been reading about in Victoria for the last uh week, uh the front page of the age newspaper, and everybody's going, wow.

SPEAKER_11: 7:53

Yes. Because that's overstepped the the mark. Well, I think it's because what they're doing is they're playing with our money. Because we are contributing the taxes by what we work hard and we're being taxed to the hilt on absolutely everything else.

SPEAKER_02: 8:10

We're being shoved well and truly.

SPEAKER_11: 8:11

Oh, totally, we're totally. We're getting taxed on everything. What upsets me totally out of all of this is, and I know because I'm negotiating with a lot of corporate companies at the moment, and police agencies, um, nursing agencies, and I'm trying to get education to shift working staff in there, and the response is there's no money. There's no money. Oh, we haven't got any money. We can't educate our staff. Well, I've got a clear message for that that your budget, next budget allocation, and the fact that there's no money is not going to help your staff as they're walking out the door. You know, you you've got to invest in your staff to keep them in their jobs. You've got to educate them on how to go about doing shift work, you've got to educate them on nutrition and health and well-being and show them the way because you've not spent any money on that in the first place. Because everybody I talk to says, No, I um I've never been educated on how to go about shift work. And everybody in a shift working environment now literally is just learning from their colleagues, as in the people that are senior to them. Oh, what do you do between nights? Oh, what do you do coming out of nights? What do you do? What do you eat and when do you eat it? They're learning from that. There's no proper education, no education. And there never has been, really. That's what I'm saying. There's never been any. I know 40 years ago when I started, I certainly wasn't taught how to go about doing shift work, and they still aren't today. And you can't call a half-hour lecture of from a dietitian that this is how you go about doing it. Because the time that they're being educated, they're not absorbing the information because there's no impact.

SPEAKER_02: 9:52

My suspicion is, and I won't be around, but my suspicion is another uh 15, 20 years' time, you'll be seen as uh a leader who started this conversation uh and it will be different in 20 years.

SPEAKER_11: 10:06

That's my that this is my absolute hope. But my frustrations, Tony, at the moment is every organization that I am talking to, we've got no money. Yeah. We've got no money.

SPEAKER_02: 10:18

What they're saying is that it's not a priority for Victoria.

SPEAKER_11: 10:20

It's not well that what they're truly saying is this is not a priority. And why is that? My I've been told by marketing agency they're not seeing the value. They don't realise unplanned leave through the roof. Education can lower that. Um, sick leave, accidents in the workplace, fatigue-related accidents through the roof, work cover claims because of that. What about in policing and areas nursing, complaints by people because their staff are fried? We have lots of problems. We need to educate people how to go about it. And I've got a proven record.

SPEAKER_02: 10:54

Come on, Tone. Uh, have a listen to this. Come on, Tone. It's not unlawful to work for cash, it's unlawful not to declare it. Correct. Uh a subtle but important distinction. But I think you knew where I was going. Uh we've got lots of text coming through. Uh, calls as well. Come and join us. Rogers here, Roger Sutherland, a healthy shift 133-693. If you'd like to join in, uh, or you can send a message 0477-693-693.

SPEAKER_12: 11:21

A Winter Olympic Games update, powered by GWM's I-1T. Hybrid intelligent four-wheel drive with the power to uphill slightly. Go with more.

SPEAKER_07: 11:35

Good morning. I'm Jake Batrick. Australia's greatest Winter Olympics campaign has continued on day nine, with Matt Graham winning bronze in the dual moguls at the Milano Cortina Games. Graham was flawless until the semis, with a narrow loss in the semifinal to eventual silver medalist Ikuma Horoshima, booking him a spot in the small final. The 31-year-old says he's ecstatic to come away with the bronze medal after stumbling in the semis.

SPEAKER_01: 12:20

So that was sort of my goal.

SPEAKER_07: 12:27

The 16-year-old's first run score of 71.41 was enough to see her qualify sixth and have a chance at winning a medal this week. Despite several changes to the schedule, Hickman says she's having the time of her life at her first Winter Olympic Games and looking to build on her 15th place finish in the Big Air event last week.

SPEAKER_00: 12:48

Yeah, there's been a lot of schedule changes, but now we are competing. I still don't know when. On Tuesday, the finals is on. Yeah. Big air was so good, and it was so good to warm up on it, and now slopestyle finals is so incredible.

SPEAKER_07: 13:05

Fellow Aussies Mila Stalker and Tez Cody both missed out on a spot in the Final 12 in the Slopestyle. That's the latest from Milano Cortina.

SPEAKER_02: 13:34

Roger Sutherland from a healthy shift who calls in 40-year police officer here in Victoria, 133693, who says uh I'd rather come in uh nice and early because you're happy to get up this early. You better believe it. Yep.

SPEAKER_11: 13:48

It's the most important best part of the day.

SPEAKER_02: 13:50

You're invigorating. Oh, firing. You're invigorated. Look at these texts. Uh Tony Mack, uh, Roger, are you seriously making that moral comparison wholesale, systemic government corruption, flagrant misuse, abuse, public funds with hardworking individuals who occasionally uh take or pay cash for a job. I know it's a long bow, but you you know, you just it's the amount of money that's the only distinction. I mean, it's still doing the wrong thing, surely.

SPEAKER_11: 14:23

It's doing the wrong thing, but you've got to understand his stand on it, though. Like, because we are paying tax and we're getting tax, tax. Yes, Dean, sorry, the the caller, the text. I can totally understand his stance. Like where I might do a cashier or get paid cash or do something just on a small scale. This is systemic. This has been going on for a long time at massive amounts of money. And every time someone stands here in front of us on the TV, they're telling us we're gonna get taxed for this, there's another tax for that, there's another tax for this to pay for money that is being misused. And I'm convinced that that's the point that Dean is making there, that we're paying our tax in good faith. We're told you've got to pay this tax, so we have to pay it. We've got no choice, we have to pay. We pay land tax, we pay um pay as you go, we pay tax everywhere. We're up to Pussy's bow. We're getting taxed on absolutely and it's pushing the prices of everything up. Everything. Uh, even though we've been promised that things will come down, things are not coming down. And now to find out that fifteen billion dollars of our money has been used well basically to fuel corruption. To fuel corruption in that and that that is uh the ultimate slap in the face. Like w our interest rates went back up again, another um quarter of a per cent. And I don't think that's our fault. It's a government's fault.

SPEAKER_02: 15:52

That's a government spending problem. Uh 133693 is our telephone number. Now, here's the question for this morning, uh, because you said uh look, we've got a few minutes to uh gather our thoughts around this and then we'll uh canvas it with the audience across Australia. Yep, absolutely go.

SPEAKER_11: 16:09

What the the first the most important part of your day is the first ten minutes when you first wake up. Yeah. Alright, so that's the most important part. Because of the processes that the body actually goes through when you first wake up, tell me, what do you do when you very, very first wake up? When you first wake, what's the first thing you do?

SPEAKER_02: 16:29

Oh uh yawn, uh, you know, apart from the obvious. Okay, yawn. Do I jump out straight away? No. No, reach for your phone. Probably do. Yeah, majority of people reach for their phone. And that's that's ended in separation and divorce.

SPEAKER_11: 16:46

Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. But the thing is, majority of people roll over, stretch, reach for their phone, check their phone. And this is what a lot of people do. What we don't understand here, or what a lot of people really need to understand, is your brain is still waking up and those brain waves are still very, very low, and then you're looking at your phone and you're stimulating it with the absolute rubbish that is on your phone to start off with. Because most people will open social media, right? You might look at email or check messages.

SPEAKER_02: 17:20

Messages are obvious because there's a notification, but then you get your notifications, you check your social media, and then you scroll, scroll, scroll, and that's all going into your and even though intellectually you're saying all I want to do is get uh look at the time, uh look if there's anybody looking for me that's been urgent, anything that I've missed overnight, and you think that might take uh 90 seconds before you know it, you could have spent 15 or 20. Correct, then that's the point that I'm making. And all at the same time thinking, I really need to get up for a uh you and me, uh, but I'll keep I'll keep doing this.

SPEAKER_11: 17:49

Right, and then you get up, I'll keep doing this, keep doing this, you hold out as long as you can possibly hold out until you have to get up. Then you get up, you go to the bathroom, what's the next thing you do? Straight to the coffee machine or put the kettle on. That's the next thing that people are.

SPEAKER_02: 18:04

Have a big drink of water.

SPEAKER_11: 18:06

Uh now that was going to be my point. Everybody who knows me on social media knows my catch-cry is hydrate before you caffeinate. Always hydrate before you caffeinate. People that do this, and I say 500 mil of water to start off with. Now, a lot of people go, Oh my god, 500 mil, that's a lot. Suck it up, Princess. Put it straight in. 500 mil straight into your system. It just rehydro because you haven't had water, you haven't taken water on board. A lot of people have been lying there for maybe six to eight hours. At least six to eight hours. Mouth open, breathing in, everything's dry, our joints are dry, nutrients aren't being transported around our system. Um, it makes a huge difference to put that water straight in. Uh, it also, be fair to say, lubricates our digestive tract and gets our digestive tract going first up, which is what we want. We don't want to be carrying that around with us. We want to clear it out and get it going. So that water does that, and then we have our caffeine. Now I say sky before a cup of tea. Or a cup of tea. Yeah. I say sky before screen. There is nothing on your phone that you need to look at first up. Nothing. You might think, oh, but someone might have been trying to get me. No, wait 15, 20 minutes. Sky before screen. All right. Always light, daylight before you look at your phone. And then hydrate before you caffeinate, and then get that coffee and go and sit on your back doorstep and get that daylight into your eyes to trigger that daylight functions in the body, get that blue light in so that it goes, it you're anchoring that circadian rhythm. You're telling it, we're on day shift, we're we're on day, it's awake.

SPEAKER_02: 21:15

I know if I uh get that first sort of six hours uh and get through till 12 30, or say one o'clock in the afternoon, wake up bright and I go, ooh, this is so good. I've got the afternoon ahead. Do you really fancy a coffee?

SPEAKER_11: 21:29

So that's get up, have the water, and then go and sit on the back doorstep or grab a chair outside and have the coffee outside.

SPEAKER_02: 21:35

More the other side for Australia overnight. Come and join us 133693. Monday it is. No, it's not real. Uh just double this. I'll just double this here. I'm Tony McMahon. It's 133693. Question. What's more important? Seven to nine hours sleep or waking up at the same time every day.com.au, Roger Stubble and veteran, if you don't mind, veteran law enforcement officer, re 40-year officer, police officer. Uh Roger now coaches shift workers to uh thrive all while working the night shift. Hence we play a little bit of the night shift. Uh we asked the question just before the uh news. What's more important? Seven to nine hours sleep, waking or waking up at the same time uh every day. Uh we need some calls, 133693. Love to find out from people uh what are their uh habits? You talk about this this Monday itis thing, which frankly I've never given any cred to.

SPEAKER_11: 22:45

Absolutely. I guarantee to you there will be p someone sitting in a car driving to work right now, going, Oh my god, I hate Mondays. Tell me why. Tell me why.

SPEAKER_02: 22:57

I don't like Mondays. Tell me why I don't like Mondays.

SPEAKER_11: 23:01

Why didn't we cue that up? Sorry, Joe. One job. Um why why don't we like Mondays? Well, I'll tell you why we don't like Mondays is because of what we've done over the weekend, and it actually comes down to circadian biology. Now, I know I don't want to bore people, but let's be Well, I think that ship has sailed. It has? We've bought them. No, no. Um no circadian biology. Anyone that's got teenage children will relate to this, and this is why. On Monday morning, we all struggle because we have got to Friday night. Well, not everybody struggles, do they? Well, I don't, because I'm a morning lark now. I used to be a night owl, but I'm now a morning lark. Because that was the shift work that would have been. It was and I I use I preferred to work afternoons, I preferred night shifts because I had aligned to that later part, later chrono to what they call a chronotype, because we are different.

SPEAKER_02: 23:58

Did that become also part, given that uh that experience of 40 years working, did that form part of your social life as well, the other side of midnight?

SPEAKER_11: 24:07

Yeah, absolutely it does. Yeah, because you're in a routine and that's how it goes. So if you think about um work Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday. They're working Monday to Friday. So what they do is they struggle to get up and go to work. Now, there will be people in the car on the way to work now that are really battling. Really battling. Well, let's ask them. Let's ask them to call in.

SPEAKER_02: 24:33

So you're you're you're gonna say that at least a dozen or more people listening to us right this moment will be struggling on the way in.

SPEAKER_11: 24:41

Feel as if really tired. They feel like they're probably half drunk because they're so brain fogged and so fatigued. Whereas that's not how they feel towards the end of the week, as in Germany.

SPEAKER_02: 24:54

Jess, you can come on anonymously one double three six nine three. Pick up the phone if you're driving, and it's safe to do so. Use your uh Apple CarPlay or give us a call. Uh 133693. You honestly can come on and say, Yeah, I am battling loathe Mondays as opposed to any of the other days of the working week.

SPEAKER_11: 25:11

Yeah, now what it is, we call it social jet lag. Now, anyone that's traveled knows about jet lag, normal jet lag, when we travel from one time zone to another. When we go into another country, we struggle, or when we come home, we struggle. And this is what we call social jet lag because our circadian rhythm is out of alignment with what we're actually seeing and experiencing.

SPEAKER_02: 25:35

Uh best cars, look at this text here, once in four, says the best cars during the production of uh Holden and DeForder and Mitsubishi, uh, they were the ones that were built on a Wednesday, as opposed to the ones that were built on a Monday or Friday. It's so true.

SPEAKER_11: 25:50

Huh? It is so true because of fatigue, serious fatigue, people are very apathetic. They're very poor on a Monday morning, and then by the time they get to Friday night, they've absolutely had enough as well. So, yeah, it's a it's a really, really good observation. We'll come to with only two this year.

SPEAKER_02: 26:07

We need a total of five. Yes. So three more one double three six nine three. We'll put you on as soon as we possibly can. Uh, Wayne Taylors Hill. Morning. Disappeared. Beautiful. Working well. That was a good start. That was a really good start. Disappeared. Dean, good morning to you.

SPEAKER_10: 26:27

Tony and um hi. And is it Roger? Roger. Yes. Hi, Dean.

SPEAKER_11: 26:30

How are you?

SPEAKER_02: 26:30

Roger Sutherland.

SPEAKER_10: 26:31

How are you going? How are you going, mate? Mate, I love some of the things you're saying this morning. That's just such common sense. But that Monday ISIS feeling that you're talking about. I used to have well I don't work anymore because I'm I'm a carer for my mother, but um I used to have the exact opposite feeling working on a Friday afternoon or a Friday night. When you left work at you know 5 30. It was just this feeling of elation, you know, that the weekend was coming. Euphoric. It was just like it was just like I I can't describe I don't know if everybody else has it, but to me it was and not because I didn't like my job.

SPEAKER_11: 27:06

No.

SPEAKER_10: 27:07

But it was just the weekends ahead of the state. It was a relief. It was a relief. And the weekend started, mate. The weekend for me started at the moment I drove out.

SPEAKER_11: 27:14

Yeah, I agree with that.

SPEAKER_10: 27:16

The weekend was on.

SPEAKER_11: 27:17

But then do did you find that you would then stay up because you had you were like liberated, you were free, you didn't have to be at work on Saturday. So you would stay up late, and then you'd have a sleep in on Saturday morning, true?

SPEAKER_10: 27:30

Uh no, well, in the when I was a when I was a when I was disciplined, uh Roger, I would actually get up and go to the gym at eight o'clock on Saturday morning. But I understand what I I understand what you're saying. Yes, it was either if I didn't go out with friends for a drink. Yeah, I would. I'd stay up and you know watch the footy. I would go to bed late on a Friday night, absolutely. And then sleep in on Saturday? Yeah, yeah, look yeah, occasionally. And it was just that yeah, and and again it's that sense of relief when you woke up on on on a Saturday morning, but yeah, I just thought your comments about Monday are interesting because I think 99.9% of the population probably have that, but they can't. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_11: 28:06

And and anyone with teenage kids notices it too.

SPEAKER_02: 28:09

Yeah, I just I just how how how much is is the right expression psychosomatic? No, it's not.

SPEAKER_11: 28:17

It is literally circadian biology. It is absolutely circumstances biology why people struggle on Monday morning.

SPEAKER_02: 28:23

Uh Todd Infraction, thank you for joining us. What's the uh what's the what's your story, Todd?

SPEAKER_11: 28:28

Oh, do I mate? Morning.

SPEAKER_04: 28:30

Um, Monday morning suck.

SPEAKER_11: 28:33

Suck. Yeah, they do, don't they?

SPEAKER_04: 28:35

Wake it up that early in the morning, drive to work.

SPEAKER_11: 28:40

It's so true, Todd. And Todd, tell me. What time did you go to bed last night and did you struggle to go to sleep?

SPEAKER_04: 28:48

I went to bed at about 10 30.

SPEAKER_11: 28:51

Yep.

SPEAKER_04: 28:52

Hey, yeah, did struggle to go to sleep.

SPEAKER_11: 28:54

Yeah, that's right. And then on Saturday night, did you did you start late?

SPEAKER_04: 28:59

I stayed up a little bit late. Yep, yeah.

SPEAKER_11: 29:02

And this is why and and and this is why I call it circadian biology, because people get up, like here's Todd getting up, he's on his way to work now, and he is travelling, he's got to get up at this time to go to work daily. So today sucks. But what he is doing is he's in training his circadian rhythm to this time, ready for tomorrow. But he would say this happens every single Monday of his life. Correct. Of his working life. But but he's also sleeping in every Saturday morning and every Sunday. He doesn't get up at the same time. I'll guarantee to you that Todd doesn't set an alarm and get up at half past four on a uh Saturday morning and a Sunday morning.

SPEAKER_02: 29:40

And if he didn't, Todd what time do you get up on a Saturday and a Sunday morning?

SPEAKER_04: 29:44

Uh Saturday, Sunday, it's normally about seven o'clock.

SPEAKER_11: 29:47

You see?

SPEAKER_02: 29:47

Three hour time difference.

SPEAKER_11: 29:48

And that's why, because there's another sleep cycle in. There's another another 90 minute 90 minute sleep cycle that goes in there. Therefore, he is in training his circadian rhythm to a later start. His body is doing and responding to exactly what he's teaching it. Good call, Todd, thank you. Anonymous, what do you got for us?

SPEAKER_06: 30:07

Well, I guess I I um I do struggle a lot, especially to be honest, every day to be honest, because I um I tend to get I tend to get bullied at work and um to be honest, feel like giving up.

SPEAKER_11: 30:20

Yeah, no, well, that's that's sad that you do, but maybe in a morning, maybe you're a late chronotype person and you need to be up later. See, there's an argument for kids starting school later as well, because they're later chronotypes. But being bullied at work is just horrendous. It's a it's a just the worst possible feeling. Um I'm really sorry.

SPEAKER_02: 30:42

Is there somebody uh inside the organisation that you can talk to uh about that in this day and age?

SPEAKER_06: 30:49

Yeah, well, it's pretty hard because they're all sort of ganging up sort of in if I didn't have kids I I wouldn't be here today. Well you can be very hard.

SPEAKER_02: 31:02

And how long's this been going on? Mate, um can you just hold the line and I tell you if you're happy, uh we'll put you back and we'll see if we can get some uh feedback and support. I mean that's not the probably the call we were looking for, but it just goes to show that there are challenges out there, Roger. Huge uh each and every day.

SPEAKER_11: 31:29

But children are the driver here. Children are the driver, and it's really important that he remembers the children.

SPEAKER_02: 31:36

Um greed. Uh we'll do this when we come back. Your calls uh Tommy Leanne. Next, it is Australia overnight. The uh the idea of bullying is uh unacceptable to uh everybody, but the reality is it in some sectors, uh Rog, it's still uh it still exists.

SPEAKER_11: 32:01

Bullying is horrendous, and um it does because it's gotta be stamped out and there's a text here, it's gotta be stamped out, otherwise a person moves on to bully someone else. And that is so true. Because they get away with it once and then they keep on going and keep on going. But I want to say this to that caller as well. Well done. You might you might have a word with him uh offline after the show. But call he's called, um, he's called a radio station, he's listening to us. I'm proud of him for doing that because he's distracting himself and keeping himself going. I'm really proud of him for doing that, and also that he's got his children foremost in his mind, which is something that is super important. And to the people at his work, may you rot in hell. Uh Tommy, hi.

SPEAKER_03: 32:48

Good morning, Red. How are you going?

SPEAKER_11: 32:49

Well, hey, Tommy.

SPEAKER_03: 32:51

Okay, well, Roger. You sound like Ben Fordham, like I told you last time. Yeah, Ben Fordham.

SPEAKER_13: 32:56

That's right. It's such a compliment, Tommy. Thank you for that. Thank you. Don't laugh. Anything's possible in this business.

SPEAKER_03: 33:03

I believe Roger in routine, mate, alright? Yeah, absolutely. It's all up top. It's all up top in your brain, mate. If you actually wake up thinking you're tired, you're gonna be tired. So you just get up and face a day and actually uh get on with the show, I think, mate. Yeah, there is a beautiful greyhound.

SPEAKER_02: 33:20

There is a part of that, and you've been doing this for a long time, but there are times when it was pretty tough for you, you've got to admit though, Tommy.

SPEAKER_03: 33:27

No, mate, it was actually what it is. When I lost my beautiful wife 22 years ago, mate, I actually made a commitment to her that we will continue and I'll raise the children. How we actually were going to do it anyway, and uh and I'm pretty successful just quietly. We haven't won a copper on a tradey, and my beautiful daughter's a uh a mum up in Queensland. So okay, however that.

SPEAKER_11: 33:49

Well done, Tommy. And you're absolutely a hundred percent correct. Our body relies on routine, and as soon as that routine is thrown out, that is when we start getting that brain fog, we start feeling awful, uh, and and our body does not function well out of sync, which is why shift workers really suffer, and the more we can bring that into line, the better it is.

SPEAKER_02: 34:10

Uh Leanne, you stay there, we'll come to you very shortly. Let's take a couple of these uh calls before we say ouroo, uh Roger. Uh the lovely Lee Ann. Say hello to Roger.

SPEAKER_09: 34:20

Hello, Tony. Uh JM Roger. Roger.

SPEAKER_10: 34:24

Morning, Leanne.

SPEAKER_09: 34:25

Morning. Um, I am sleeping, napping, waking up, napping, waking up, not sleeping, solid hours. Um, I don't know why.

SPEAKER_11: 34:36

At night time or daytime?

SPEAKER_09: 34:38

Night time. Night time.

SPEAKER_11: 34:40

Your body doesn't feel safe. And and it's an autonomic nervous system thing. You'll find that there's something that's playing on your mind. So, what I would suggest that you would do would be, and I know this is easy to say, but find a breathwork coach or get on and do some breath work and learn how to really calm your body down because this is what causes night wakings, is when the body doesn't feel safe, and as soon as the slightest thing occurs, you'll wake up. And by relaxing that autonomic nervous system, are you stressed?

SPEAKER_09: 35:16

Yeah, I've got a yeah, at the moment I've got a lot on my weight.

SPEAKER_11: 35:20

Yeah, breath work just before you go to sleep. Can I just go quickly, breathe in for four, a count of four, and then hold for a count of seven, and then breathe out through purse lips for a count of eight, and do that cycling it over and over again.

SPEAKER_02: 35:37

So one more time for uh for people that are uh writing this down because we've got last time eight. Four, seven, eight, yep. Last time we mentioned that uh a fortnight ago, casually as part of the conversation, yeah. Uh inundated with inquiry.

SPEAKER_11: 35:52

I mentioned the studio that I go to breathwork for, no name studios in Brunswick. And they were running a free online breathwork session that they do. Mark is fantastic and runs one. I want to get Mark on the show, Tony, because I think he's got a lot to offer. Um 95 people they had registered for this, and 48 people turned up on that Saturday morning for a free one-hour breathwork session, uh, and the benefits were enormous. So incredible.

SPEAKER_02: 36:19

So just explain to Leon.

SPEAKER_11: 36:21

So you you breathe in breathe in through your nose for a count of four. Now, everyone's count of four is different, and then hold at the top for a count of seven, and then purse your lips like you're blowing out through a straw. Hello. And blow out for a count of eight. Now, what this does is it signals to your body everything's okay, it's calm, and you can you can rest now and you can go to sleep. And because you're focusing on that breath, what will happen is you won't actually be able to think about anything else because you're counting. And it will help you to sleep.

SPEAKER_02: 36:56

You're a good man, Rog. Uh, thank you for watching. I tried. Uh no, you've done very, very well, Leanne. Uh hope that helps a little bit. Uh we will see you in a couple of weeks' time. If you've got a call. Yeah, if not the fourth. I'm still a bit distressed about that call. I gotta say, I hope everything's gonna be okay. It's gonna be fine. Uh the Brickie Show is next, Ross and Rust. Tom L coming in after 8 30 as well. The 30W Brickie is next to I'm Tony McFraw. We know we may never meet again. Uh, hands only ever be held out in friendship. Don't we need it?