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Roger Double it's a little thing we call a healthy Roger Double Good morning. It's like you're you're a sort of dancing into the studio, which is a nice buzzy feel. You've got a nice vibe about you here this evening.

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Anyone that knows me knows. Full of energy. My uh-ready battery. That's right. My charisma energy enters the room before I do. That's what they say, they reckon. It's lovely to see you.

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We've not been forever.

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It feels like forever. We haven't had it. Uh no. No, no, no, I haven't been on this year. No. The last show actually was the 11th of December.

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Was that with with this programme? But you you were on Carol Lee with Carol Lee's programme for uh Did you find out? Yeah, I did. I said hello.

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I did you find out about that? I don't know how you found out about that. I'm a bit disappointed. I've been sharp that I've got. The beautiful Carol Lee invited me to come in and sit there, and I sat there, I I skulked in and I was looking around. I was hoping you weren't going to be around. Um and I sat with Carol Lee. We had a fantastic hour.

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We negotiated a deal where uh she had you for a little bit for her programme, uh so long as you came back to where it all began.

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To where it all began. That's right. That's the important part to come back to where it began. And then as a result of that as well, I actually had a go with Christina on um 6PR in Perth. Oh, the lovely Christine,

Warm Reunion And Roger’s Background

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yeah.

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She's Christine, wonderful.

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Yeah, she's gorgeous. And I had a chat with her there as well. Um, and as a result of that, we sort of spoke about FIFO over there, the fly-in-fly out people.

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That culture of fly-in-fly out, which was really interesting.

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I've got a topic here that I'd like to talk about about that to anyone that's listening from uh WA, and uh if they would call us and tell us what education do you get that supports you because it's very brutal working fly in, fly out. And a lot of them they have different rosters, but they might go away for a week and then on nights, come back, do a week at home, then they go away for a week of days. There's a lot of different models around it, but there's very, very different models. So, what education have you had as a fly-in-fly out as to how to go about your sleep, your nutrition? What do you do?

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All of the above. If you'd like to be part of it, we've got plenty of room on the board. You'll get through uh straight away 133693. For those that may not know, uh Roger is founder of A Healthy Shift is the name of the uh little little uh business. Uh but a veteran law enforcement officer, how many is? Just 40. Forty, just a four decades. Uh so knows what he's talking about, has great insight into some of the uh issues. Uh you and I, uh Fardi and to uh others that are waiting, we'll get to you in just a moment. Uh you and I had a uh bit of a chat uh prior to coming on last week. So one of the things that has occurred to me for

FIFO Culture And Health Challenges

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a long time, based on the book uh that I read some time ago called, I think it was called uh Tipping Point. Yes. And in New York in particular, they looked at that model about uh increasing crime. Crime in that part of the world in New York in particular was out of control, was well documented. One of the things that they addressed over a sustained period of time, uh cracking down on the little things Petty crop. Petty crop. Uh certainly things like graffiti in that part of the world. Fair evasion. Fair evasion. Very simple. And I think the premise is if you sort of get people at that level to say, look, this is unacceptable, and we will actually uh chop you off at the knees should you continue to do that metaphorically. Yeah, I agree. Less likely then to offend and commit worst crime later on in life.

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Well, I totally agree with you on that because I think what we do is we lay a foundation. We lay a found a behavioural foundation with people. Now I know there'll be current serving police officers right around the country at the moment going, you don't know what you're talking about. Because and I understand that. You drive around today. Now you've got to remember, police are not only driving around in a police car, they're in their own cars with their own families. They see everything, right? So and I think people think They can't not see it, Roger. You can't not see it. You you even driving around, Tony, you even notice people are not wearing seatbelts and and that they haven't indicated or that

Callers Share FIFO Rosters And Realities

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they're speeding or that they've done the wrong thing. You can't not see it. Once you're trained to notice it and see it, you see it all the time. Um and police will laugh, but uh when you've got your partner um trained to actually call clear left when you're about to do a right-hand turn, clear left, which is shortened to cleft. Which that happens in Todd Car? When you're in a work car, police car, your partner, your colleague, will call cleft, which is clear left. So as you're coming out to do a right-hand turn, they're double checking. So it's another set of eyes making sure that you're clear. Because you never used to be able to see out very well out of those vans, right? But you know, now it's a bit easier to be able to see out of them. But years ago, your off-siders was to call clear left. So you found that your wife or your partner was calling clear left as well for you. But what we're saying is you see all these crimes, you see things. It was discussed on the radio here today, um with and Tom Elliott show on AW that it was discussed that we um you could take a policeman for a drive around and say illegal cigarettes are being sold there. This bikey club is displaying its colours, this person's riding a bike without their helmet on, this person's jaywalking, this person's just gone through a red light. That's true. Don't think the police don't see all of those things as well. But where's the priority? Right? You've got to do you get stuck dealing with that one person. You've got to remember police now generally short start running from one job to the next. They don't have just the time to cruise around and and just um just go and ride a ticket out for someone that's for every little thing for a helmet.

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Does that become a priority then? What's the priority for uh an officer? Well, we've got what's the what are they what's the message they've received that they need to give attention to over the room?

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Well, we that see, we don't know that, and that's the key point. We don't know what's sitting on their screen in relation to um uh what tasks they've already got that they're heading to. And it doesn't mean it's going to be a licensed sirens job because that's risky.

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Uh we'll take some calls. 133693. Let's kick it off in uh Guilford in uh WA.

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Laz, hello Tony, how you go, mate?

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Really well. Say hello to Roger Sutherland as part of Australia overnight, Laz. Oh, hello Roger. Hello, Laz, how are you?

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You wanted to say Oh well, I was just talking about the FIFA thing. I'm an ex-Fify. Fantastic. Tell us all about it. What did you find really difficult about it?

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I never really found it difficult.

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Fantastic.

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Yeah, yeah. I never never because you're surrounded by so many amazing people.

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Agree with that. It's it's a bond with your colleagues, isn't it? Tell me, um Leslie, what was your rotations? What did your rotations look like as a flying floor?

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My first job when I when I got my foot in the door, my roster was one month on, one weekend off.

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What hang on, so how did that go? Yeah, so what so you're doing a month's work, 30 days, 31 days, and then one week, then one weekend off.

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Yeah, well basically four four four weeks on, and and then I got the weekend off. Flew back down, I was working up in Karafa, fle flew back down on a Friday afternoon, and I was back up there on the Sunday afternoon.

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So you give one day flying for one day. Two days off, and you worked 28 days. Yeah. Yeah. Les.

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Gee, that was a pretty uh you live in a palace? Yeah, you must. Must have been pouring the money in there during those days, Les. Uh good to talk to you, so I'm keeping touch. Lynette in Geelong. Good morning to you.

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Good morning. My grandson in Perth uh he'll be 20 in the uh early February. He's at university now, and he's working at Gina Reinhardt's uh mine up north. It's almost to Port Headland.

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Yeah, no, the area of wealth. So how how many how many weeks in a row does he do and then come back? One day.

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A Tuesday is the day on, and a Tuesday the next week is the day off. And he comes down to Perth for the um whole week, then he goes back again for the whole week. And um he's doing that until February the thirteenth, I think it is, and he's back to university then.

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Now, is it part of his FIFO with his work? Is that part of his uni studies as well with what he's doing? Or is it that's fantastic? What a great setup.

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Now he said to us that it's 40 degrees between 38 and 42 uh degrees, and um he's had a complete hair shaven. Uh he looks terrible.

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Oh, hang on, nothing wrong with his nana. Yeah, nothing wrong with that, let me tell you.

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It's a great look. So he's doing that, so he flies up for a week, does he obviously would do a week of nights and a week back? What is he actually doing? So I would imagine that the mind uh paying him to study technically theoretically. So what's he are so this is another way for people to get education and get skilled in what they're doing, isn't it? Not just going along and doing a job, but getting skilled. That's fantastic. What's he doing?

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That's right. Yeah, he he loves it.

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And so is he driving? Is he uh what's he doing? Driving machinery? What's he do up there, do you know?

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No, he's working in the in the office part. Right. Okay. Occasionally he go every day he goes down the mines or something and looks at what they've got and everything, but he's only a student who is learning the job.

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Amazing. What a great foundation for it. It is fantastic. Fantastic.

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So we hear that we hear the bad stories about young people. Uh there's a young bloke who's taking a bit of a risk at the time. At 20, doing fantastic. Amazing. Proud Nana. Well done, Luna. Yeah, it's fantastic. Yeah, we'll do this when we come back. Your call is Pete Hutter, your next 133-693. Lots of texts will get to them as well. Roger Sutherland's here. Tony McManus, it is Australia Overnight. G'day, Tony McManus for Australia Overnight. Nice to have your company wherever you are, right across Australia. And Roger Sutherland is here. He is a uh former copper, 40 plus years in the Biz and uh has a uh thing we call a healthy shift. Uh speaking of great shift workers, uh, I don't know where you meant Leith Forrest. Leith is the uh back I've heard you speak to him before. Yeah, nights on uh 5 double A. Leithy, nice to talk.

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Hello. Always lovely to speak to you. Happy New Year. First and foremost, uh Roger's been on my show here in Adelaide, he may not remember, but uh I want to congratulate you on having Van Halen coming out of the break, Tony.

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That's nice. I know, thank you. We it's production value we go for here. Leafy production value.

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Hey, I I love the chat. I'm driving home after the the show here in Adelaide, and it's interesting, Roger, because my dad became a FIFO late in life just before he retired. And loved it because I think for people of an older generation, absence makes art profonder. You're not in your you know, wife's or husband's lives all the time. So you get some separation, it's a good financial boost, you can pop up the super before you're finished, and then when you get to come home, you know, you get to see loved ones that you haven't seen, which I think works for relationships and families really well.

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Yeah, Luth, I I think that's a really, really good point that you've made there too. Um, because not only that, but as you get later in life, um having a bond with your colleagues at work, and there's nothing quite like a FIFO because you have got the same crew that you go with, you would look forward to spending the time with them, being with them, doing the things with them, but then you get to go home and rekindle that relationship at home as well, instead of winding down and spending more and more time at home, you get to have that break for a bit, and you, as you said, earn the money, put top up the

Hydration Rules In Extreme Heat

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super, off you go overseas, spend the money that you've got that that you've made in that time. I think it's a it's a really good observation. Your dad obviously enjoyed doing that and it worked for them.

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He had a role, Tony, which was like a high char type administration role, where he was in one of the air conditioned hubs, like Umumba and places like that. But it was so hot, they had a rule where he had almost like a colour chart when you go into money in the paint section, and he was they would have to go out every hour, every two hours, whatever it was. They would collect urine samples from the workers, and if you came into a particular shade of colour, if you were dehydrated, ostasite into the room, you lost your money. So everyone was religious with their hydration to make sure they didn't lose any money.

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And you know why they do that, Luth? Because dehydration leads to fatigue, which leads to accidents, poor concentration. So when people are properly hydrated, it actually shows that they're they're functioning properly as well, because a lot of people get very confused with um uh well they they get tired, but it's actually dehydration.

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Yeah, every day 40 degrees plus, or you know, the cool changes and it's only 38. Yeah, well, that's that's right. Uh father no longer with us, Lee. No, no, still with us outside now, living on High Marsh Island here in Adelaide, just loving life. So no, but it was great. Like they they mum and dad thought it was terrific from like a relationship point of view, because it was that thing you have to get a little bit of independence, but also, you know, a couple of weeks later you get to hang out. It's a great way for people who getting on in life, may not be able to get as much work as they could have previously, you know, the FIFO financially, so set you up in retirement, and as you say, you you get to spend some time with the boys, and then when you're away from the boys, you get to see your family and awesome.

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Yeah, it's uh you've got a lot of merit. Great to talk to you, Lee Forrest. There, five double. Yeah, you two will go we'll talk from time to time, Luffy. Good to hear your voice, thank you. 133693 Pete's in Port Melbourne. Peter, go ahead. Good morning.

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Guys, morning, uh Roger, how are you going? Morning, Peter, how are you this morning?

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Yeah, pretty good. Uh Roger, I kind of got a question about uh these new gun laws that have come up. I know that you've been the cop for the last four years and you've tried to be uh uh on the beach. A lot of times and night and during dangerous times in the early nineties, late nineties, eighties, early two thousands. Yeah. Uh can you honestly tell me take your hat off, cop hat off, and pass coffee off. How dangerous is it knowing that people could have guns at home or when you go to uh domestic violence, does that thing play knowingly?

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Great question. Yeah, great question.

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Yeah, always and and and uh compared to Walt Oh your phone's just struggling with the colour.

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He's got a dreadful phone, he refuses to get a new one. But he makes a good point. I mean, there's always that risk factor, presumably, Roger.

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Oh, you're always doing your due diligence and you're always doing a risk assessment as you're going to any task. A lot of people take a lot of these things for granted, Tony, that you're when you're going to a job as you're driving to the job, you and your colleague are discussing, we'll do this, this is how we'll go, you do that, who's gonna speak, who's gonna stand back, who's gonna watch, who's who's doing this. And you're constantly it's a dynamic environment. You are constantly working, doing that. It's exhausting doing it all the time. But there'd be no you couldn't do it any other way.

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You have to do that. And this is not Hollywood, this is this is reality. Yeah, it is. Absolutely it is, yeah. Uh good on you, Pete. Uh now in uh Mike from Emerald. Hello, Mike. Uh are you still fly in fly out?

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Oh no, I did it for 12 years, I don't do it anymore, but

Policing Priorities And Petty Crime

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I was just gonna disagree with a couple of calls. I mean it might work for it might work for, you know, a a few people, but especially families with young kids. And the dads the dads going away and not seeing their shoulders. I mean, I've got fourteen of my best mates that have um that have done five and nine of those uh have broken marriages because of the I know they I know they say absence makes a hard grown fonder, but too much absence um does the is detriment to the relationship and that's what that's what m most of my mates have said and basically and what I've said too over many years is I've missed my kids growing up. I mean it's good money. Yes, it's all right, but when you miss your kids and you can't bring that time back, it you know, you struggle with that thought around later in life.

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100%, Mike. Um I I totally agree with you on that as well, but I think in fairness to what Leith said as well, it was a later in life thing that was he was um doing that. Yeah. So what the point that you make, going away for a week and spending a week with the boys, or when you're up in the mine, um, that's going to cause all sorts of issues at home because the wife's being left at home or the husband's left at home with the kids and raising the kids on their own. Extremely you'd have to have a really good relationship to be able to cope with that. But I think with what Letha said, it was a later in life thing that kids are obviously grown up and left, and he's just topping up the super with it. I think that's was a different, different sort of dynamic there. Uh good on you, uh Michael.

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Thank you. 133693. Artie, good morning.

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Good morning, Tony and Roger, or should I say VKC to 251. Welcome back and happy new year. Artie, you're all over it, aren't you? Well done.

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Yeah, IBA Information Bureau of Records. Yeah. Just so for other people that know the 251 is the sergeant patrolling the road.

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Anyway, I seen after so many years on the news that uh the Altona police station is up for sale. Oh, really? Yeah, 71 and I had a few mates working. I was just wondering if you ever worked at that station.

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I never worked at Altona? No. No, no, no, I did not. See, there's that down that way now, um, severely short police, shortly police, because they've all gone into um central areas. Like, this is what's happened with a lot of the smaller police stations now. They've all gone into these super police stations. That's closed to a lot of the smaller. That's a business model. But this is not only here in in Victoria, this is everywhere that they're doing this now as well. Um it it's they seem to think that it works better, I I would argue. But yeah, I don't know. Not sure about that.

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But that might be uh good on you, thank Artie, thank you. That might be sort of the reference that many people would make in industry about the particular industry. Say a bit of back in my day, this is how we did it.

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Yeah, that's right. Oh, yeah, we're dynamic now. I was devastated to see the Brunswick, the old Brunswick police station was sold and became a restaurant. It was a gem of a restaurant because it had the old police memorabilia. You could walk in and it had where you would stand at the watch house countering. It was amazing. I came went past it the other day and it's it's gone, it's closed. Like that was I used to meet up with the building's still there. The building's still there, but it's closed. Yeah, it's not a restaurant anymore. It was a what was it? I can't remember what it was.

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In Brunswick.

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Just empty. On the next near where the railway line used to go across, the old Brunswick police station used to sit there. Um, and yeah, they turned it into a restaurant. It was a great restaurant. I used to meet um a couple of friends there, and it was just very nostalgic going into the old police station.

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Uh come and join us 133693. Jeff you're in Adelaide. We'll come to you very shortly. Uh lots of calls coming in. If you'd like to be part of it, uh you'll jump on board now, 133693. Uh it's Roger Sutherland. I'm Tony McManus, and we're talking about shift work. Uh those that have done shift work over the years, who, how, why, when, and where, uh, particularly fly in, uh, fly out. And the challenges around we'll come back because I think it's pretty important, Rog. One of the issues in the last few weeks has been uh numbers of police officers, where do they come from? The training, have we got enough? Why are young people perhaps not necessarily considering it as a career?

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Why would you now? Don't get me wrong, but we'll talk about that after the break because I yeah, we'll have a chat about that.

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It's next Australia overnight. Hush puppy shoes was mentioned in from memory. I hope I get this right. It's been around for a little while, that uh tipping point, and people go, uh, you're just catching up with it. Well, I read it some years ago. It is a great book, but it talks about things that take off in the world and why and why do they take off, one of which was Hush Puppy Shoes. Yeah. Uh where hush puppy shoes are off the boil, and then somebody somewhere started to wear them, and they went from making, I don't know what it was, but let's say it was 15,000 pairs a month to like 280,000 pairs a week. But why you keep it?

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And this is the thing, it's because I have to play the social media game every day in the business, right? As in you put something out, you can put a lot of work into a post, nothing. Just nothing. And then people can do something really stupid and it goes viral millions. Why? And nobody really uh it's a psychology, but no one knows why it happens.

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The idea of uh petty we'll get back to calls in just a moment. Come and join us 133693 and LinkedIn to uh hydration as well, too, by the way. We'll come to you shortly, Paul. Stay there. Uh why the the idea of petty crime or what used to be called petty crime, do they still call it petty crime?

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Uh well, be trivial.

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Trivial or petty crime, you could call it summary offenses, but summary offenses. But so yeah. But they're the th it starts at that level. I mean, I don't think I don't think a 12, 13, 14-year-old is doing a berg first app.

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I don't know. No, no, they're not. No, no, it starts with a whole range of things. You you generally find that people that are committing serious crime today have had a history where it started way back when and it wasn't dealt with, or they just didn't respect it back then. Um, this is the biggest problem we've got now. These youths today that are not getting locked up, getting bail, or etc. Um, why would they respect why why would they not commit crime? Why would their friends like don't get me wrong, but it almost becomes uh everyone's watching, he's committing crimes and he's getting away with it. Why wouldn't I do it? Like, everything is going on in the world today and they're getting away with it, so why wouldn't I just do it?

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Uh let me ask you a tough question. Uh historically, if you were talking to people with colleagues with whom you work for many, many years, uh, and those that are still in the job around Australia, would some of the serving officers make observations kindly or otherwise about those that are committing crime linked into migrant families?

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Yes, absolutely.

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They would be conscious of that on a regular basis.

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100%. 100%. Um it's a major problem that we have here now.

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To deal with every day, every week, every month.

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You asked me, um, did this happen back in the 80s? We had serious crime, but they were armed robbers that were holding up banks, right, and armor guard vans back in the 80s. This is what they were doing, right? They were no threat to Tony McManus walking down the street, none whatsoever. You were safe as houses in that time. However, today you go into the city and we've seen the vision. And I think the vision was shocking, but these sort of things happen all the time of that young Asian girl that was coming from the sushi restaurant, the chef that got stabbed, right? For nothing, just walking along. Random. This is common now. Common crimes against the person, people getting chased with machetes. What nation has machetes as a weapon of choice? Not Australia. Not Australia. Australians don't have machetes as a weapon of choice. It's come culturally from another country, and now we are dealing with it. And then we had $18 million worth of bins, that no way were they going to put them in. In Victoria. In Victoria.

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So young a young person, just trying to get into the mindset, I guess, Rog, a young person of 12, 13, 14, is this behaviour presumably it's learned behaviour.

SPEAKER_03 26:07

Yeah, I would suggest. What about the other thing as well? Let's have a think about this. When you were growing up and I was growing up, we didn't have Grand Theft Auto and games like that, or um, these video games that you've got to go and assault people and murder

Youth Crime, Social Media, And Games

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people and race cars at high speed and things like that. These people are playing Grand Theft Auto in the public now. Do you know what I mean? Like they're literally living it. What psychological, I'd like, you know, you could speak to a psychologist and ask the psychologist what impact is playing those games and the social media having on these people now that makes them feel like they can just go out and do whatever they want.

SPEAKER_04 26:45

Great question. Uh, if anybody knows the answer to that. 133693. Uh, in Adelaide. Hello, Paul. Gentlemen, trust you well. Well, sensational, thank you.

SPEAKER_08 26:57

I just want to touch on you spoke about hydration. I spent 29 years working in a foundry and quickly learnt that the more hydrated you were, the easier you got through the shift. There was a like in the middle of summer, it was like 60 up to 60 degrees in certain parts of the foundry, and you soon learnt that the more water you pump through your system, the easier it was to get through the shift. You know, it was Paul.

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Say this louder for the people up the back. Like, seriously, say that loud. Hydration is horrendously underestimated, isn't it? Now you've noticed that yourself, and it's not only where it's hot, like obviously in a hot environment, you are sweating more, so therefore, you know, you're losing the salts and the so the sodium and potassium, and you lose all your electrolytes out as you sweat. But people underestimate the power of hydration on your system. The more hydrated you are, the better you function, the better you function fatigue. Um, even um, and Paul, you'll know as well, you don't get hungry overnight when you're hydrated because uh hunger signals and dehydration signal come from the same place in the brain, right? And the brain, as clever as it is, gets confused with which signal is which. And if people that get hungry, if they were to have a big glass of water and wait, sometimes you can find that it was dehydration, it wasn't actually hunger, and it can stop you from having that snack before you even thought about it. Um did you notice that, Paul?

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Sure, yeah, like you think you're hungry and you think, Oh, I need something to eat to like to keep walking or whatever you do. But yeah, if you have like, you know, a bottle of water within two, three minutes, you feel much better than what you were, and progressively, yeah, like 100%.

SPEAKER_04 28:56

So so Paul, when you do when you're doing that and you're drinking an enormous amount of water, as you say, and you learned that pretty quickly, uh, how do you then manage, and I've got to be a bit delicate about this, but when you you're constantly going to be able to do it, no, you get used to it.

SPEAKER_03 29:09

You get used to it, or does your body adjust to that? Your body adjusts to it. When you first start drinking a lot of water, you're wanting to go to the bathroom all the time, it's flushing through you all the time. But when you are um when you do drink a lot of water over time, your bladder adjusts to it because that signal to go to the bathroom becomes it doesn't become as loud. It you get used to it because it knows that this is happening. But I'll give you another hint. Here's a hint for you people drinking a lot of water, put a pinch of Himalayan salt into your water because salt is a water retenter and it holds water a little bit. Put in what Himalayan? The pink salt, because it doesn't taste as salty, right? But you can put a pinch of salt into your water as well. It has a dual purpose. Number one, it actually is an electrolyte, the sodium going back in. One of the biggest problems that we have with people who drink a lot of water is they're flushing all the electrolytes out of their um system as well, and we want to make sure that you are putting those back in. So while we are encouraging people to drink a lot of water, we also want them to put the sodium in particular back in. Now, if you're putting a bit of salt into your water, not so it tastes like seawater, like we're not talking about that, we're just talking about putting a bit of salt in it. Yeah, salt actually helps us to retain water so we don't need as much and it stops us from going to the bathroom all the time as well. So for those on night shift, if you're going to drink water from 3 a.m., bit of salt in it, it'll help you to retain it.

SPEAKER_04 30:35

Thank you. There's a tip. Uh if you could uh Jackson and bring in the salt for tomorrow, that'd be handy with us.

SPEAKER_03 30:41

Lip tip suck it or be one. Paul, yeah. Thanks.

SPEAKER_04 30:44

Paul, well done. We'll do that. Paul, thank you. Uh lots of text too. One in particular says uh often there is an alpha or leader. Yeah. Take away their power by reducing their followers. I mean, I guess presumably experts looked at this. Often those who are passengers, say, for example, stolen car, uh, receive no punishment. Uh followers could be punished too, or minimum, warn parents and families that their behaviour, there will be consequences if and when involved in an incident again. Is that too micro?

SPEAKER_03 31:19

I'll tell you now, the parents don't care. I'll be I'll be categorically. The people that are driving around in stolen cars, everyone says, and I see it all the time on social media, where are the parents? I can tell you the parents don't care. They've got no idea. And even if I went if if I'm pleased, you said that because I've said that uh on air and said, look, I don't think the parents care.

SPEAKER_04 31:39

No, they don't. And many will go into meltdown. Well, why don't they care?

SPEAKER_03 31:44

Why why? Because it's just conditioned, they've just given up. If Constable Tony and Constable Roger were on the van and we took young Jackson back to his mum and dad and said he's been driving around in a stolen car, they've done a ram raid, they've done a few agbergs, they're doing all that sort of stuff there. The parents that go,

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SPEAKER_03 32:01

but I've tried to talk to him and nothing works, and and it's just a waste of time. They can't do anything about it. And majority of these kids are resi kids as well. You know, when I say resi, they're they're like the old ward of the state type kids that don't have parents that are being cared for. A lot of them were.

SPEAKER_04 32:18

Residential kids. Oh, residential children. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 32:20

Sorry, it's a term. Yeah. But and I know you love them, don't you?

SPEAKER_04 32:25

Well, I think I'd never heard it. Nice. I haven't heard it. Others wouldn't have heard it.

SPEAKER_03 32:30

The uh you'll find any cop that's listening to this, no matter where you are in the in the country, would know what a resie kid is. But the resi kids are the kids that the parents have lost control, I've got no idea. So they're made basically what we used to call a ward of the state years ago. Okay, right. Um and they're they're in shared houses. And i it it's just incestuous, the whole thing. We're not saying incestuous, it's poor joke.

SPEAKER_04 32:51

Um we've got to do this break. When we come back, 133693, because it just gets it it it somewhere in there there's got to be an answer. Because we're gonna have this same conversation again in uh two weeks' time, in four weeks' time.

SPEAKER_03 33:05

Yeah, there has to be a circuit breaker, doesn't there?

SPEAKER_04 33:07

Somewhere there's got to be the circuit breaker. Yep. And government don't seem to know how to manage it. Well, they don't culturally, I don't know whether we know how to manage it.

SPEAKER_03 33:17

And then with we had Brad Batten, sorry, we had Brad Batten standing up as the Liberal that looked like we were. Sorry for those around Australia, Brad Batten was the opposition leader here in Victoria that looked like he was going to stand up and go really well, and then the Liberals slaughtered him as well.

SPEAKER_04 33:34

Don't start me.

SPEAKER_03 33:35

Yeah, I know.

SPEAKER_04 33:36

Uh if we haven't got strong opposition, that's part of the problem as well.

SPEAKER_03 33:39

We don't have anything. It's the same group now.

SPEAKER_04 33:41

Yeah, 133693. The text line uh we'll get to your court. You're a text as well, 0477693693 for Australia overnight. Good morning. Vince, we'll come to you very shortly. The other thing, of course, is that uh many families right across Australia, too, uh have uh quite often uh two people working. Uh that changes culturally, I guess, how Australia looks and how it will look forward because uh both mum and dad are away from the home. Uh Little Taker's coming home from school, I would imagine. Where you and I got home from school, uh there were bickies in the jar. But now you get home, mum and dad not there, you can do bugger all you can do.

SPEAKER_03 34:18

Well, the kids have been sent home in an Uber and and they're ordering Uber Eats. There's a great text here, Tony. Maybe the parents could start caring if the courts impose monetary bail conditions on their kids. Now, this is a really good text um that ends in double eight seven. We there's no monetary bail. We taught bail and people think money now. There isn't, there's no money, they're bailed on their own undertaking to be in court, and that doesn't work. And I think if I said to um a mum and dad, if you want young Tony out, it's gonna cost you you're gonna put a bail up for a hundred thousand dollars. But what if they don't have one hundred thousand dollars? Well the child sits inside, or they've got to raise it somehow, or the child sits in the in the jug. This this is in the in whether it's a time I said a hundred thousand. In a prison. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 35:08

How much does it cost to keep that child in prison?

SPEAKER_03 35:10

Well, that's the that well, this is a thing, but what's it costing society? Who are we protecting? The crook or are we protecting the society? This is the problem that we've got today. We have lost the plot. We need to start protecting the public. Vince. Good morning.

SPEAKER_07 35:25

Good morning, um Tony, and good morning, Roger.

SPEAKER_03 35:28

Good morning, Vince. How are you?

SPEAKER_07 35:30

Good thanks. Um, just in reference, two things. Firstly, the restaurant you were talking about, um, a friend of mine designed and developed that one. It's called the Cop Shop.

SPEAKER_03 35:39

That's right. Thank you very much, Vince. It was a beauty, wasn't it?

SPEAKER_07 35:43

Yeah, it was. Uh he then he then sold it, and um I haven't been back since then, and I don't know what's happened to it. And I I guess you've actually touched on that. It's probably here. But I actually I have driven I have driven driven past and there's nothing there. Like it's it it seems as if it just empty it looks empty.

SPEAKER_03 36:01

But it was a beauty, polished floors and it still had the numb it had everything. It was all laid out, and it had pictures of the police that worked there and the and the um station photos up on the wall and the old police sign from out the front. Thanks, Vince. You've solved it. You're welcome. I wouldn't have been able to sleep when I got home.

SPEAKER_07 36:19

There you go. The second thing, um, just in reference to the liberal trading in Victoria, I'm a member. Look, I think Brad Batten, uh great guy. Um very good on very good in terms of the crime issue, but I I think that he was just too one-dimensional on just on that issue. And and there are there's a whole range of other issues that need to be fixed in Victoria's so many.

SPEAKER_04 36:41

Yeah, I agree. And nationally I do agree. And you've got to say, why is the coalition nationally now so what what appears to be so dysfunctional?

SPEAKER_07 36:51

Yep. Yep. I look uh to be honest with you, I'm j I was talking about this with my wife, and I don't think I can sort I I don't think I can renew. I mean it's hard, isn't it? It seems as if they stand for different things now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:04

Do they actually stand for different things? Do do you think Liberal and Labour stand for different things, or do you see them more aligning now in the city?

SPEAKER_07 37:12

Oh well, I mean they're the same. I mean there's no d there's no delineation. Different colours that they stamp, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:17

Yeah, it's just same people, different colours.

SPEAKER_04 37:19

Uh and yet they're uh good on you, Vince, great call. And yes, there are there are so many things on which they do agree. Yes. And that should be kept in in mindful of that as well. There are so many

Community Work As A Circuit Breaker

SPEAKER_04 37:30

things. There are things that we see, say, watching Parliament, where they obviously disagree, but they they agree on way more than what the things on which they uh disagree. Uh we'll do this when we come back. 133693. It's Australia Overnight. Morning. It's an interesting uh conversation that we can do for another hour or so. We've run out of time, Rog, but the idea of uh just putting young people 13, 14, 15, 16, into a prison uh, you know, at ballpark 200 plus thousand dollars a year. Uh are we prepared to pay for that?

SPEAKER_03 38:03

Well, it was discussed that maybe we should start getting to clean the graffiti up and start weeding weeding the nature strip and road crews. That I think is fantastic. Because that used to work in the US years ago as well. Having road crews, supervised road crews. You're in your you're in your orange overalls, you're standing on the side of the road, you're pulling the weeds out.

SPEAKER_04 38:20

The graffiti in various parts around Australia is horrendous. Oh, dreadful, it's awful.

SPEAKER_03 38:26

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SPEAKER_04 38:33

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