SPEAKER_06: 1:35

Come in join us. It is a little night shifter. Roger Sutherland is from Well Night Shift slash a healthy shift. Have a look at the website. ahealthyshift.com. You can also have a look at the Instagram. It's everywhere. It's everywhere. A healthy uh A underscore healthy, is that right? Correct. A underscore healthy underscore shift. Yes. Is that the only one you could uh get? I think I'm gonna have to change it. Yeah, it's just it's busy. It's all busy. Healthy shift podcast on all platforms. It is absolutely how many listeners?

SPEAKER_05: 2:19

Um we're getting about a thousand listeners a week. Not even not even close to the I know. Not as that's why I like coming here.

SPEAKER_06: 2:27

That's right, because you for the first time have an audience. I have an audience on double three. 693 is our telephone number. We'll talk all things to do with lighting. We're going to talk about uh slip gigs. Ring call bells. And the mere fact that you are now exclusively dressed and you look amazing by Henry Bucks.

SPEAKER_05: 2:51

Yes, Henry Bucks. Yes.

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Well, you said you bought a beautiful new coat.

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No, no, I no, I was gonna buy one from Oxford. It's a$500 coat and it was reduced to 191. And you said, well, there's a bargain. I asked Melissa, she said spoil yourself, and I didn't. So you had to said no, I probably wouldn't have would have done it. So you need permission? No, I did not. No. I don't need permission at all. I just needed someone, some coaxing. Some endorsement. So I needed some endorsement. Yeah. I wanted her to say, oh, that would look fantastic on you.

SPEAKER_06: 3:23

No, that feeling. I know that feeling. Uh come and join us uh wherever you are, right around Australia. Anything you want to raise on the programme, uh we can have a chat about anything uh when the great man is here, that is Roger Sutherland. Certainly issues around law and order, uh, it is important to everybody, so we can look at that. But certainly it's about those that work shift work. Now, you might be a shift worker as we speak. You might be a driver, you could be an ambo, you might be an officer uh serving in South Australia, serving in WA, serving in Victoria, uh anywhere around Australia for that matter. Uh you might be uh someone who's heading into supermarkets and getting the uh stores cranked up and ready to go uh for the next day. Uh there would be people uh a shift working right across the airport listening.

SPEAKER_05: 4:11

Everyone industry, private industry working overnight. We forget about taxi drivers, Uber drivers, people working at the airport, uh emergency services, frontline health. I mean, frontline health won't be listening to the radio, but I want to challenge anybody else. We won't identify who you are, but if you want to call up and just say and give us a yell, because I put it on my Instagram story today, who's on night shift. I had about 40 people say that they're on night shift. So what about people give us a yell? Send us a text or give us a call.

SPEAKER_06: 4:41

133693 come and join us. Uh I don't know whether Wade. Now, is your name Wade Kingsley or are you Wade from Kingsley?

SPEAKER_04: 4:52

Hi, Tony. No, it is Wade Kingsley, and uh we used to work together a very long time ago.

SPEAKER_06: 4:57

Wade Kingsley, when I saw that name come up, I thought is it Wade who lives at Kingsley or Wade from uh Kingsley? Uh Wade, you are a radio guru and you never rang me, you never ever uh called, you never sent flowers anymore. What happened to our relationship, Wade? We liked each other.

SPEAKER_04: 5:14

Uh we did, Tony. We had a good time. We worked at 5AA back in late 1990s, I'm gonna say. I was very young back then, I was only into my early twenties, and I'm turning 50 next year, so things have changed a fair bit.

SPEAKER_06: 5:28

Get away. Uh after running what, a couple of networks.

SPEAKER_04: 5:32

Yeah, I was at the Nova Network for a long time. Uh and now I mostly do a lot of radio consulting work. I think it would amaze your overnight audience to think that there are people who can make a living out of consulting radio, but yes, it can happen. And um it's great to hear your voice on the airwaves. I love your jingle to start the show, too.

SPEAKER_06: 5:51

That's very kind of you. Uh so how do you think we're traveling based on what you've listened to so far, Wade? Uh, what would you give it a big tick, or do I have to go to a production meeting, an announcers meeting, or worse still, a program director's meeting?

SPEAKER_04: 6:05

Well, no, my memory of you, Tony, is you're quite creative. So I don't think you would love uh meetings very much. I'm not sure you're a meetings kind of guy. I think that the word meeting would probably put you off.

SPEAKER_06: 6:16

Well, we used to always gag about uh meetings. We the story about meetings was uh uh winners, uh losers go to meetings or winners go to lunch.

SPEAKER_04: 6:27

That's right, that's right. And and if my memory serves, you're a very good at lunch.

SPEAKER_06: 6:31

You're very good, boy. What else is happening in the word way in the world for you?

SPEAKER_04: 6:35

Well, I lived down on the Mornington Peninsula in Victoria now. Um we did a little sea change down there before COVID. Um my wife, who I actually met at 5AA, uh her name is Souze, and she was writing commercials, and I was uh a talk pack producer, as you know. And we met and uh we then traveled the country a bit together through radio and now have a couple of teenagers and live down on the beautiful morning visiting from Victoria.

SPEAKER_06: 7:00

Oh mate, how the school fees are going.

SPEAKER_04: 7:03

Yes, that's why I'm still working tonight. School fees. I absolutely didn't mean to hijack your first segment, but I'm actually uh driving back from the airport in Melbourne to home, and I'm never normally up at this time, but I know you shot me an email and said let's catch up. So I thought what better way to catch up than on the radio?

SPEAKER_06: 7:25

Live uh broadcasting. Wait, it's a thrill to hear from you. I'm glad you uh touch base, and uh I promise you at some point we will break bread.

SPEAKER_04: 7:33

Well, uh let's go to lunch. How about that? No meeting.

SPEAKER_06: 7:36

I'm loving your work for that. Uh uh Do you have a do you have a card these days, or is it a thing of the past?

SPEAKER_04: 7:44

Oh, like a business card? Is that what you meant?

SPEAKER_06: 7:46

No, a card to pay for lunch.

SPEAKER_04: 7:48

Oh, I well you notice I can I artfully dodged that, Tony. I don't think beautifully, but I uh I went the other way. So we could we could clearly I think we could use the uh Australia Overnights credit card. That works well.

SPEAKER_06: 8:01

Yeah, thank you very much. Good on your cover. Nice to see you. Wade Kingsley, who uh great radio person uh and was pretty young as he mentioned uh back in the days of the city. He's got the voice for it, hasn't he? Yeah, gifted and talented, and then went on and did amazing things uh as a senior exec uh for the Nova Network and turned that into a a bit of a juggernaut.

SPEAKER_05: 8:21

But I ask a question. What is a f what does he say he's f consulting, radio consulting? What does that do? What do you do when you're a radio consultant?

SPEAKER_06: 8:27

You know, what they what a consultant does, as you well know, is uh they grab uh somebody else's watch and tell them what time it is.

SPEAKER_05: 8:37

Okay. Pretty much. Beautifully done.

SPEAKER_06: 8:39

Uh are you familiar with Wade Kingsley's work? Um I'm not sure. The name kinda rings a bell, but yeah, I'm not sure I am. I thought you were looking for a role maybe at Nova. Something came up, Jackson. Uh I thought you were gonna say something. Oh no. Uh gotta go. Gotta fly. Uh we'll do this break. I've got to stay to the time, Wade. Don't I? Uh 133693. It is Australia Overnight. We'll reconvene. Come back in just a tick, uh, come and join us for Australia Overnight. Good morning. One of the big conversations in the last week or so. Uh you would have seen this, Rog, uh mum's, dad's grandparents, and how you the little tackers to go to sleep historically. So we thought we'd fling that open to the listeners. Uh in the day, uh, how did you get youngsters, particularly during daylight saving in this part of the world, uh, how did you get little youngsters to go to sleep? It can be a real challenge for mum and dad. And I know it was for us at that stage. Uh we had a property in Ballarat running a motel as well as doing other projects. Uh, and uh Jamie G just would not go to sleep. Uh and so it became a real issue and puts an enormous amount of uh stress on uh family uh because come seven o'clock, eight o'clock, nine o'clock, uh and a little thing called Fenergin came in to uh be a help. But you say that's not the way to go.

SPEAKER_05: 10:01

No, the b what one of the things that we've got to understand about this, which is really important, is people younger younger people have what we call a later chronotype. So they naturally go to sleep later and they naturally get up later. And there's a big campaign to actually change the hours of schools so that instead of people starting school early, they actually start school later and finish later. I don't wonder that. Why do we start at 8 30 or 9 o'clock? Well, it's ridiculous because teenagers are in their sleep phase at that stage, and it's not because they go to bed late, it's because their chronotype, as in their normal type, has them going to sleep later. And we go through stages. So when we're young, really young, like up until we're about 10, we go to sleep earlier, we get up earlier, and then from 10 onwards, we then start to go to sleep later, and then we wake up later. And that's our prime schooling years, and yet we start school at 8.30, or we've got to be up at 7 to get to school at 8.30. This is where children really struggle because their brains are not even switched on by that stage. So we should be starting school at 10, 11 o'clock, and then going through until six. You're talking primary school at that's a good thing. All through, right through.

SPEAKER_06: 12:33

Yep.

SPEAKER_05: 12:33

And so even though we're not going to be able to I'm gonna say later, later when they're over ten, yeah, right, would be better. For the teenage years for later. Certainly VCE kids. VCE kids shouldn't be at school at 8 30 in the morning. Their brains are not even turned on by that stage. It's it's outrageous. Just write that. And that's why they're writing that down.

SPEAKER_06: 12:49

VCE kids' brains don't turn on till lunchtime.

SPEAKER_05: 12:52

Well, it well it it we've got to understand this circadian rhythm and learning that we need to be in this proper cycle for us to be able to function properly. And this is what we talk about with children not sleeping, we're forcing them. The one thing that we have to not do, and it's imperative that we do not do, is medicate children to sleep. Or anybody, because you're not actually asleep.

SPEAKER_06: 13:16

No, very good. Hardy, when you uh when you finish, when you knock off, do you go straight to sleep?

SPEAKER_02: 13:21

Good morning, Kanye, Roger, and uh Jackson. Not right away. I've got a bit of insomnia, so uh adjusting their 40 years off shift work as you know, it's not easier to sleep right away.

SPEAKER_05: 13:34

But you can change that, Arthur. You you you can literally I know you say you've got insomnia, but the insomnia is actually created by the light exposure, and you can phase shift that with earlier light.

SPEAKER_02: 13:48

Well, seeing daylight savings, I'm not a fan of it, but I'm adjusting better now. I'm adjusting so I can go to sleep a bit earlier because I've seen a bit of daylight and I'm uh kind of you know forcing myself naturally to do that. Just a question though that uh Tony brought up the uh clock card. I used used it when I was digging in security, just to think of it. The log on logoff punch card. Yeah, probably still got them there. Did you use them in the police stations as well? The uh time clock.

SPEAKER_05: 14:16

Never no, never never used the time clock in well. I started in 1984, and no, there was no time card then.

SPEAKER_06: 14:23

Well, how'd they know when you lobbed in and lobbed out?

SPEAKER_05: 14:26

Um I'm pretty sure the sergeant would have known that you were there. Yeah. So you you and you did a time sheet. You you manually wrote a time sheet. And here's a here's a funny one for people. If you worked the divan, you ticked the div van box and you got an extra dollar ten for it. A dollar ten. A dollar ten for working the div van. When I started, you just got an allowance the div van being the divisional van. If you were out on the truck, out on the divisional van, yeah, um, you would put down working seven oh seven hundred and you wouldn't put the finish time because you could get overtime, but you would tick the box that you were going out working on the van, and if you were out going on the van, you get an extra dollar ten as an allowance for working on the van in 1980. Yep.

SPEAKER_06: 15:08

A dollar ten for the day or a dollar ten for the hour?

SPEAKER_05: 15:10

No, for the shift. An extra dollar ten for the shift. No, but and if it was a if you got overtime and it was a 12-hour shift, it was still a dollar ten, but it was an allowance. And they remove that allowance, so they don't get a div van allowance now at all. No. So what about a lunch break? No lunch break, it's called meal at post. So you eat whenever you can, which is a problem. Yeah. Because you may not get to eat. Which is you say that like that's common. It's common. Very common, very common for um particularly today, Tony, because the van crews, the divisional van crews, are running from one job to the next, or they're tied up away from their stations. Like with mental health patients at hospitals, or they um they they could be tied up with offenders and executing warrants and then going from one to the next. You know, no no one logs off to go and sit down and oh, it's it's dinner time and and have something to eat. You try, but no, it doesn't happen that's the same.

SPEAKER_06: 16:05

So we are in uh Perth, a little uh uh little street uh just off the freeway in Perth near uh what they call Polly's Pipe, Polly Farmer's Tunnel. Uh and the there's a whole lot of couples that go in there on a regular basis. And sometimes it could be eight, ten, fifteen or more. The cars are all parked out there, all bikes out there, uh, particularly on a late afternoon, a Saturday or Sunday, all having a coffee. And people might think, what's going on here? But it's probably the only break they get for the day. Correct. And they all just happen to turn up around that same time.

SPEAKER_05: 16:34

Yeah, yeah, and they turn up there and that they use it as that forced get together, because otherwise I don't get a chance to even communicate because it's so busy.

SPEAKER_06: 16:41

Uh Helen, you wanted a question about MyGov we mentioned earlier with Dennis Walter on the programme here on 30W in Melbourne.

SPEAKER_00: 16:48

Hello, Tony. Yes, only in that I've I heard reference to it before and I don't know what it is.

SPEAKER_06: 16:53

Uh you should download the app. I'm surprised you haven't got one, uh Helen. Have a look at the MyGov app. Uh they know your every move.

SPEAKER_00: 17:01

And I don't know what an app is and I don't have a phone.

SPEAKER_06: 17:04

Oh, well, that's going to be a little tricky for you then. Uh what about do you uh have a computer?

SPEAKER_00: 17:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06: 17:10

Uh so you uh what is my gov? What do you have?

SPEAKER_05: 17:13

Well it's for uh every Australian Medicare? Um your health insurance everything's all on myGov. Um MyGov is basically the home of your ID.

SPEAKER_06: 17:23

Yeah. So uh they know uh you know uh what you eat medical. What time you go to bed.

SPEAKER_00: 17:27

Uh when they were set up, wouldn't they have contacted all Australians and introduced themselves?

SPEAKER_05: 17:34

That was an issue. They did not. No, they didn't. No, they didn't. They just set it up and housed everything there because everyone went over to that. Helen is an issue. Uh but everyone has to use it. You have to use it for business to go through myGov. You do it for your own tax through. Your group certificate is now parked on MyGov as well. You know, your your group certificate from work. Um superannuation is is in everything.

SPEAKER_06: 17:55

Everything's through it's all linked through my gov. Yeah, and you can do that online. So if you type in my gov, and if you're not registered, uh register, and you'll be surprised uh some of the benefits of uh checking out on a semi-regular basis, Ellen.

SPEAKER_00: 18:10

Right.

SPEAKER_06: 18:10

It's short for my government. Yeah, my government. My government.

SPEAKER_00: 18:14

Lovely government.

SPEAKER_06: 18:14

Yeah, my government. A lovely govern. My gov. It's called MyGov.

SPEAKER_00: 18:18

Thanks, Tony.

SPEAKER_06: 18:18

Good on you, Helen. Keep in touch. Let us know uh what you think of it, uh, because people may have a different opinion uh of it. Well, the bomb app the bomb copped it, didn't it, this week? What was that about? It's copped it on radio all week. It has. Well, I'm and I'm surprised excuse me. I'm not surprised. I'm really interested, I think. How many people uh go to my to my gov uh uh go to bomb uh to have a look at the weather?

SPEAKER_05: 18:44

Right. And who said who sat there when they sat around the table and went, Oh, this is it, this is fantastic. Oh, for the website.

SPEAKER_06: 18:51

Yeah, for the website. Who did that? Didn't work out well uh Chris Brody morning.

SPEAKER_01: 18:55

Hello uh Tony Mac and Roger. Um look uh things are quitening down at this end of Broadbellows uh after the event, both Friday and Saturday night, only 250 meters. Well, it's taken golf terms or two, was it uh specifically have the order tunnels all the Fridays that they should not before the machete attack for a crowd of four thousand people.

SPEAKER_06: 19:20

And so I um I have got uh correspondence and re replies from uh government house from the governor of Victoria and the the Department of Premier and uh I saw that you said that through, and uh under the legislation, under the rules and regs, uh it's not really anything they can help with.

SPEAKER_01: 19:40

Yes, it is. Uh it is everything's on the table now, whether we I suggest uh cutting out all nightlifts or not too to give much needed rest of recreation to the law enforcement, coincide with some restrictions, some purpose, even if this is not in place, or even martial law, bringing the military alongside the police just to just to quiet things down so the police can could do their usual rounds, do their shits, and go home for much needed rest of recreation.

SPEAKER_06: 20:07

Uh rest and recreation was uh was that very important? Was that was that given priority, Roger? Roger Sutler?

SPEAKER_05: 20:13

I think the at the moment. I um we've had this discussion before, Tan. I I don't agree with the military being involved at all, right? I think the government has to resource and support and have the police doing that job. I I just don't like the look of the military out there doing the job that the police should be doing. It'll there'll be blurred lines everywhere there with that, and I don't think that's a good idea in any way whatsoever. I can understand why people would think it, because they think everyone would be scared of the military, but the military are gonna have their hands tied so much with what they can and can't do. The job is the job of the police. They're the ones that are trained to do the job, they're the ones that need to be properly resourced, and they need to have them out there and visible, because this is one of the biggest problems today. I I drove in tonight and was shocked when I actually saw a police car when I was on my way in. I was driving along and all of a sudden I realised I was following a police car. You don't see that. You just don't see police cars around. You don't see them not as many. You don't see them parked on the side of the road these days with a radar going or set up with the the tapes across the road.

SPEAKER_06: 21:13

Because why?

SPEAKER_05: 21:14

There's not there isn't any.

SPEAKER_06: 21:15

We should point out we're talking about uh essentially in Victoria, but it's the same the state right across the room.

SPEAKER_05: 21:20

I would imagine it would be much the same everywhere because I know I know West Australia are on their knees as well. Their union is campaigning very hard at the moment.

SPEAKER_06: 21:28

They're looking for people.

SPEAKER_05: 21:29

Yeah, they are, and South Australia is in the same same situation as well. I commute with the commute communicate with all of these agencies up and down the Eastern Seaboard as well as across the country, and it is a real problem with staffing issues and how short they are and how busy they are tied up doing paperwork for jobs. Now, uh Mike Bush, the new chief, is horrified at the amount of paperwork and the repetitive nature of what the police here in Victoria are actually doing. Having come from an international agency coming in, he's looked at it and gone, This is so backward, it's outrageous. Crazy. And he's trying to fix it. Um and you know, credit where credit's due, he's getting rid of the people upstairs, you know, overgovern over he's looking internal before he looks outside. I think that's a real credit to him as well.

SPEAKER_06: 22:15

So but but all that paperwork's still got to be done. It's not as if that's not gonna be done. The people who are best to do that uh have been up until recently or more recently have been serving offices. Well do you bring lay people in uh where do you get those people? Are they sufficiently skilled to uh do that job that is so important to certainly for prosecution?

SPEAKER_05: 22:36

I I don't have I I don't have inside intel. I have certainly been told that there will be a lot of jobs that will go to what we call unsworn, which are like um people who work in the police department who are not sworn officers going out doing the job. They're the people that are in support staff. Um prosecutions is one of the areas that could very easily end up as unsworn. Um there's a quite a number of areas. I I wouldn't want to be in an office down the road here at the VPC, the Victoria Police Centre, um, in one of your Heidi Hole offices round the corner. Because I wouldn't mind betting Mike Bush will come knocking on your door one day and saying your job doesn't exist anymore, um, or you're being replaced by someone who's unsworn and you can go back out on the road. And they they won't go. They won't go back out on the road, they'll leave, and he's apparently his attitude is very much along the line of see you loader.

SPEAKER_06: 23:28

Commissioner of the police here in Victoria. Uh no idea what you're talking about. Between Morwell, Terelga, and multiple cars side of the road, and the cameras uh always down that way.

SPEAKER_05: 23:36

But the cameras are not the police. It's very important people understand that the cameras are not the police at all.

SPEAKER_06: 23:41

Uh 133693, come and join us. Tony Mackett is Australia Overnight. Good morning to you. Awkward. Uh for those that uh uh that that watch streaming for Australia Overnight, uh we understand uh that it for whatever reason uh it's like last week we had some issues with the uh text line going along beautifully. Uh but we understand that it doesn't seem to be streaming at the moment. Uh but we've got a uh team of people, although having said that, I'm waving, so there is something uh there. Uh one double I'm waving again. Uh 133693 is a telephone number if you'd like to be part of the uh programme. Come and join us. Where are we going? Lee Ann, say hello to Roger. Good morning.

SPEAKER_03: 24:18

Good morning, Roger. Jackson, uh yes, Jackson and June.

SPEAKER_06: 24:23

We're all here.

SPEAKER_03: 24:23

Um two things. Uh my gov is basically your channeling, your Medicare, all of it, your ATO, NDIS, and you can look up government services for Helen. Uh if you can't find anything in sections in each each payment that you can look up what you need like payment, it's actually quite good.

SPEAKER_06: 24:47

Yeah, we use it. Yeah, it's great.

SPEAKER_03: 24:52

I'm averaging four hours to sleep in the getting to the bedroom to go to sleep.

SPEAKER_05: 25:00

Getting to the bedroom.

SPEAKER_03: 25:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05: 25:09

I was just gonna say, what is the resistance that you actually have to that land? There's obviously a reason why you don't want to go into the room.

SPEAKER_03: 25:18

I have no idea what it is. Because I was I did a lot of night work too, but I just I I mean, I sit up listening to you guys. I mean, yeah. Sometimes I fall asleep.

SPEAKER_06: 25:30

Sometimes, but um, which particular which particular segment would you send you to sleep?

SPEAKER_03: 25:37

No, not you. Sometimes I fall I might not be I might not listen and I'll be following in and I'll fall asleep. What about if I'm on my phone like a it's got the screen on it?

SPEAKER_05: 25:46

Okay, now the one of the biggest problems that you've got, Leanne, is is you're not ready for sleep. You're not ready for sleep, which is the reason why you're not actually going into the room and going to bed because you're not ready. And that comes from that blue light exposure that you're actually getting from looking at the TV, looking at the screens with the lights on overhead. But dim all dim all your lights from early, right? Start dimming your lights. Only have like a little lamp on with a little like interview. Yep.

SPEAKER_03: 26:12

Just like Yeah, I have the kitchen like light coming into the back room with no light on.

SPEAKER_05: 26:18

Okay, and what about because you listen to the show, what about if you go and lie lie in bed and listen to the show on the radio while you're lying in bed in the darkness?

SPEAKER_03: 26:28

Actually, it's funny you say that. I could do that because I've got a Google Nest in there.

SPEAKER_05: 26:33

Well, perfect. Just ask Google, just tell just say to Google to stream 3OW, because it does that. I do that all the time. And ask it, put a timer on it for one hour and turn it off, and just lie in bed and listen to it on very low volume in the dark. And I'll tell you what I want you to do, Liam. I want you to breathe in, put your hand on your stomach, breathe in through your nose for four for a count of four, and into your hand, breathe down into your hand, and then I want you to breathe out through your nose for a count of eight, and keep doing that while you're listening to the radio in the darkness. You won't last five or six cycles.

SPEAKER_06: 27:08

You promise. So the entire Australian audience now could be doing that uh and and and then we have no calling. No, only Leanne was listening. All right. Well, thank you, Leanne. Uh let us know how that goes. 133693 is our telephone number. For those sending text 0477 693 693. And for our wonderful listeners in WA 133882. And the email, there's a lot of stuff really, email overnightsplural at 3aw.com.a. You we were talking about lighting. How important is lighting? Because you've just changed your entire home lighting.

SPEAKER_05: 27:48

Yeah, what I've done is um today I've had all those low voltage LEDs removed from the roof of my house and I've swapped them over for what we call a bio light. In the ceiling, yeah. In the ceiling. It looks identical. And when you turn the light on, it looks like a normal white light. Um, and it's during the day and it's got the correct amount of blue in it. We as Australia.

SPEAKER_06: 28:09

Why do you need the light on during the day?

SPEAKER_05: 28:11

Well, if you do, because well I can tell you why, because research is showing us very clearly now that we're spending more time indoors than we are outdoors, and we need daylight. We don't need and a lot of people are indoors. Now being indoors and having the curtains open advice is not enough. We absolutely have to be outside. Now, let me just explain. When you've got the lights on inside your house, it's approximately 500 lux of light. 500 lux. Now we need much more than that to actually stimulate that circadian rhythm and get us away. And what a lot of people do, and this is where we had a lot of trouble through COVID, people came out of their bedrooms, sat in the kitchen, working in the kitchen, went back into their bedrooms, they were never getting any daylight, right? And that daylight is at 10,000 lux. Even on an overcast day, that 10,000 lux of light is actually what is resetting our circadian rhythm and telling our diurnal system this is where we're at in time and space. So now we know. So it suppresses the sleep hormones and it fires up the cortisol and gets us up and about and ready to go during the day. And this is a lot of problem, a lot of the reason why prob uh older people have trouble sleeping at night because they don't get the daylight during the day at all. They're sitting inside. So the lights that I've just changed at home provide a full spectrum blue light during the day, which is equivalent to daylight outside, so it's bright. And then at night you turn the light off and back on again, and it's got zero blue in it. Still light, it's got zero blue light in it. And it So how does it work so you turn it on? Turn it you turn the light on and it comes on normal light. And then when it gets to the evening, like once the sun goes down, once the sun goes down, you turn it off and turn it back on again, and it comes on with zero blue light in it. They're very, very good lights. They're expensive, but they're they're very good. When you say expensive. But what price do you put on your health? You see, this is the price. What uh$75 each? Each? Yep.$75 each. For a globe.

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Yeah.

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For yeah, but they're a bio light. They are a health light. For how long do they uh last? Who knows? No idea. But an LED light in your roof, when was the last time you changed an LED light on your roof? Ever. Never. Right? So that's what I'm saying. I don't know. And the LED lights What people don't understand is when we had incandescent light, we had a good light. We had a healthy light, it had infrared, it had the blue, it had the all the different spectrum of light in it. But now we have gone these low voltage LED lights that have got zero infrared, not enough blue in them during the day, which is less than 20%. They've got greater than 2% LE uh blue light in them at night. And what it's doing is our circadian rhythm is confused. And this is why we are fat, we are sick, we are suffering from poor immunity, we have cardiovascular disease, we don't sleep at night, we are snacking, we get cravings, and we're suffering from more cancers than ever because of the exposure to artificial light at night.

SPEAKER_06: 31:17

And you've got to imagine uh I'm not an expert, but you've got to imagine that somehow it's all linked in. It can't not possibly be.

SPEAKER_05: 31:26

Well, I can tell you categorically in hospitals, research shows that if you are on the side of the hospital where the sun rises, you will be out of hospital quicker than when you're on the side that the sun sets.

SPEAKER_06: 31:36

Uh G'day, Tony Mack and Roger, listening to Roger. Uh great radio. Wish you would come on more. Uh kids these days have trouble getting off to sleep. They're in bed by 8 30, takes hours and then to fall asleep. Any recommendation says nursing.

SPEAKER_05: 31:48

Yeah, well, once again, it's light exposure. They're not ready to sleep. They need to have that zero blue. And when they're in bed for those hours to fall asleep, what are they doing? And the question I would ask every single person listening to this show right now if you hold your arm outstretched and your hand and you can see your hand in your room while you're sleeping, while in your room to sleep. It's too light. It's too light. Full stop. If you can see your hand at your outstretched arm. Even during the day. Yeah, well, while you're sleeping during the day or night. Anytime you're trying to sleep, if you can see your hand outstretched, it's too light. How do we solve that? A sleep mask. Or roller shutters. We've got to get rid of all light. Any light is triggered. We have clocks in all external cells in our body.

SPEAKER_06: 32:33

Uh text here says, uh, Tony Mac, I do the opposite to the Great Leanne. I do everything in my bedroom. Don't watch the telly. Well, no, I don't watch the telly, I've got to say. But I am in the bedroom night after an early dinner. I rest, I chill, uh I drink myself into a No, I just made that bit up. I drink coffee in the bedroom.

SPEAKER_05: 32:53

Can't rest in the rest of the house. Can't rest in the rest of the house. So what's happened is This person ha uh um has associated their bedroom with rest, which is a good thing. It's a relaxing, calm place.

SPEAKER_06: 33:08

You know, even what your bed looks like.

SPEAKER_05: 33:10

Oh, totally. The environment of that room. Totally. It's part of your sleep hygiene. Stand at the door to your bedroom and look at your bed. Is that somewhere where not at six o'clock in the morning when you get home, Tone, right? Yeah. But is that somewhere where you want to go and rest and sleep? And your bed is for only three things that start with S. One's sleep. The other one's sickness.

SPEAKER_06: 33:32

Yeah, there you go. Okay.

SPEAKER_05: 33:33

And the third one.

SPEAKER_06: 33:34

133693. G'day, Tony McRoger. Love the program. I totally agree with him. He told the lady before, lie down, listen to the show. It's the best way to fall asleep. Sleep. Sleep. You're getting sleepy. You're getting very, very sleepy. Do you make the bed every morning?

SPEAKER_05: 33:51

Every as soon as I get every morning. As soon as I get out, make it straight away.

SPEAKER_06: 33:55

Do you have uh lots of Manchester on the bed? Melissa has her hundreds of pillows on the bed.

SPEAKER_05: 34:01

Cushions and pillows. Why do they do that? What is that about? I don't know. I don't know. What is it? No idea as well. And we keep every time I go and have a look at it, there's another one. And I think Where do that where do that come from? Why and why is it there?

SPEAKER_06: 34:13

And how often do we uh flick the sheet?

SPEAKER_05: 34:15

Flick sheet. You don't change them. Oh, every Sunday. Sunday's wash the sheet day. Sunday wash the shoot. We have tail Tuesday and we wash the sheet. We wash the sheets on every Sunday. Tails on a Tuesday. It's Tail Tuesday. And sheets on a Sunday, yep. Routine. Every week. It's routine.

SPEAKER_06: 34:30

Routine will set you free. Yes. It is Australia Overnight, wherever you are. Nice to have you company. For those that are waiting, uh we'll get to some calls in Just a Ticker. Thank you. The idea of we see them on the news, they're heavily used on the news services given the current set of circumstances right across Australia, where you see these uh bogans uh or I like to call them dicks who turn up at your front door, uh much of which is captured uh by the doorbells that rings. And they're common up uh seem to be. Somebody's doing really well after uh having a pretty quiet time with them, and they become uh obviously on a lot of properties, uh which is sad that we need 'em. Uh that's just uh by way of comment, I guess. Here's the thing in terms of investigation, are they helpful?

SPEAKER_05: 35:20

Uh yes, they're very helpful. Um I just showed you the video of when we had the Ekberg at our place. Um and out of that vision they were able to identify certain clothing traits, and from that they were able to identify one of the offenders. Um just fantastic detective work. He was holding a 7-Eleven cup, and they went to the 7-Eleven and saw the vision and matched the clothing without just fantastic work.

SPEAKER_06: 35:46

So when we got hit, they were able to look at the particular person who was the offender, and they could tell by the walk. In other words, they knew they knew who the defender was because of the walk. Because of the way this person walked.

SPEAKER_05: 36:00

Yeah, yeah, yeah, they do. They know that. Um, and that that comes down to good. And see, we underestimate what the detectives know. Everyone's very critical of Vic Paul um in relation to these Agbergs and why aren't they doing more? But they're looking at these going, they know who's critical. You say you're not going to be able to do that. Oh, the public, the public. Oh, on social media they do cop it a lot, right? But they're I I think the public are now realizing that a lot of it is um that the police are doing their job, they're being let down by the courts or the government. I think people are on board with this now. Um bail's become a big topic of discussion.

SPEAKER_06: 36:33

Let down by government.

SPEAKER_05: 36:35

Yep. But um going back to the cameras, um that occurred at our place at 3:30 in the morning, right? And we woke up and we had ring alerts on my mobile phone. Because I put my phone on do not disturb, as you probably do as well. Otherwise, the alerts drive you absolutely crazy, right? And you should, because sleep's got to be far more important. And I woke up and I looked at my phone and there was ring alerts, and I looked at the cameras and I I saw the vision that I've just shown you, and I freaked out. Like your heart just stops because you think someone's at your door. I jumped out of bed and ran to the front door, and our uh security door was open, but the other door was the solid wood door was still closed. They tried it um and didn't get in. Now, had we not have had that ring camera, I wouldn't have even known that occurred. I probably would have come home and thought, oh, we left the security door open and left it at that. I honestly believe people put these cameras on because they want to see things. Cameras don't save you. The the Lord Mayor's come out and said we're putting more cameras in Melbourne, we're gonna put more cameras in the CBD, we've got cameras monitoring Rundle Mall, we've got cameras monitoring everywhere. Cameras don't save you. Right.

SPEAKER_06: 37:44

Stephen said on 3 AW Breakfast makes the point you can't have enough cameras.

SPEAKER_05: 37:47

I I don't disagree. You can have cameras everywhere, but cameras don't save you. They don't provide that safety. The the girl that was stabbed was on camera, it didn't save her, right? Um, they don't save people, they do provide a level of safety for people that don't want to get caught, but they're wearing these masks now. You know, they're wearing masks and hoodies, and they don't care because there's no consequence for the action. Now, my argument would be for people that are contemplating buying a ring doorbell camera or putting ring cameras around outside, and ring won't like this or Amazon won't like it. But the bottom line is do you want to know? Lock your house up, but do you really want to know that someone's been there and you've actually seen what's occurred? Because I can tell you, if Melissa, my partner, hadn't seen it, she wouldn't have been as terrified as she was for the next two years. Yeah, it's a good point for the next two years, because had she not seen it, she wouldn't have known. But to see African males on your doorstep dressed the way they are, and we know that that's what it was because we can clearly see her, knowing that she was terrified. And I was still working 24-7 then, I was still doing night shift. She was terrified, sleeping with lights on, every noise was was terrifying. And she's brave, but she was. I just asked people, do you want to know? Is it worth knowing? Because it's not going to save you.

SPEAKER_06: 39:07

It is a good question, and and I don't have an answer to that because it and everybody might have a different view of case. Of course, of course they do.

SPEAKER_05: 39:14

Yeah. Um, it's great, it's a great investigative tool because if someone's been there and they've got into your car, got into your house. The other thing that I did want to say, and I'll discuss this with you on air, and just quickly, um, anyone that's got a key that is a push button to unlock your car, buy yourself a Faraday box or a Faraday wallet. Now, a Faraday wallet, it's just like a little wallet that you put in your drawer or in your kitchen or whatever, and you put your keys into that and it stops the electromagnetic field so that it stops the offenders from using repeaters. Um that because what they can do is stand at your front door and use a repeater from your from where your keys are in the house to your car. Um, they use those repeaters, but with a Faraday box they can't use it.

SPEAKER_06: 39:55

And it seems that it's the high end, and I don't know whether I'm reading this, but uh your Porsche BMW's Audi and so on in the Volkswagen Group.

SPEAKER_05: 40:04

Yep.

SPEAKER_06: 40:05

They seem to be the ones that presumably are targeted because they know that they can get reasonably easy access access to those. Correct. Yep. We've got to do this when we come back. Uh your calls, Roger Sutherland is here. I'm Tony Mack, Australia Overnight. Thank you, Roger. The hour goes too quickly. People can contact you uh at a underscore.

SPEAKER_05: 40:24

Healthy underscore shift. I beg your pardon. That's an Instagram. But everything's on the website, ahealthyshift.com. And don't forget the podcast, Ahealthy Shift, it's on all the platforms.

SPEAKER_06: 40:33

There you go. Nice word to say. Thanks for having me. See you in a couple of weeks' time, mate. Roger Sutherland, uh, a regular contributor. Australia overnight.