SPEAKER_07: 1:46

Every couple of weeks we catch up with Roger Sutherland, who worked as a law enforcement officer. Reed police person. Almost uh haven't you how many years? Four. Forty years, forty years. Uh these days, coaches uh shift the workers. It's all about the shift work. So shift workers around Australia. We salute you. Roger, good morning.

SPEAKER_02: 2:06

Good morning to you. Now I want to retract a statement that I made on the last show.

SPEAKER_07: 2:11

Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_02: 2:12

I said whoever wins this game between Hawthorne and Geelong will go on to win the flag. Not only did my hawks not win, but Geelong did not win the flag either. So you again. It aches like milk in the salt. I should have rugged you. I forgot that you'd actually said that. What a stupid thing to say that was.

SPEAKER_07: 2:29

You did. You said whoever wins this wins.

SPEAKER_02: 2:31

Whoever wins this wins the granny. Well, my hawks lost. Lost well. And um and of course the cats didn't turn up after half the time.

SPEAKER_07: 2:42

We were talking about it yesterday, uh, with Petra uh looking to leave the mighty D's. Uh my little heart has been pulsating something fierce for the last few days. I think there's going to be an awful lot of movement already.

SPEAKER_02: 2:58

There's been a lot of move. There's a lot of talk, um, and there's always a lot of talk this time of the year. Um I'm c I'm I am, as a Hawthorne supporter, I am actually hoping that Merritt there. I think that would be a really good get for Hawthorne Footy Club in the centre with what we need, because we seriously missed a midfielder in that uh prelim final.

SPEAKER_07: 3:20

Okay, thank you. You should be a selector. Do they have to no they don't call them selectors, but a recruiter. I listened to 30W. Oh, there you go. Thank you. What they said. What they said. What they said. Uh you can join the programme uh feel free if you've got a question, anything to do with uh we've got pretty much we talk about law and order and some of the other uh affiliated issues for the great uh state of Victoria and right around Australia, because I think whilst we talk, whilst we're based here at 30W in Melbourne, I think there are models very similar, not that dissimilar, happening in other parts of Australia, including WA, including South Australia. And so jump on uh board if you'd like to have your say. 133693 for those in Perth 13382. I don't know where we start.

SPEAKER_02: 4:05

Uh that do like I've got a question for you. Okay, go. How would you like to be a police officer in Australia at the moment?

SPEAKER_07: 4:11

Oh well, I said that to uh Grubby in the uh in the preview of the programme with Grubby here on 30W. Uh I don't know that I would. And and I and I'm not too sure that's could we want young people to actually consider uh a life of disservice so desperately?

SPEAKER_02: 4:27

Well, I think one of the biggest problems now is when we first started in the police, or back I mean I started back in the 80s, 80 84 I was sworn in. Did you feel like that was an honor to serve? Oh, absolutely, it was huge. And it was the people that were joining then were not people that thought, oh, I might just join the police force, I think. They were people that were really set on joining. They were gonna be career police, you know. A lot of my my squad stuck it out for a good 20, 25 years. Um, there's only two of us left still serving now, but we're in a position Well, you're not there, we should bring that out that you're not there, but there's no I'm not still two left. There's still two left out of my squad that are still serving, yes. Um and and and I think um in policing, I I communicate with police in WA, South Australia, I also speak to police in Queensland and New South Wales as well. The frustration is absolutely through the roof. It is through the roof. Um and we saw the incident and I think about this. Let's just simplify this, all right? Simplify it right down. School holidays at Burke Street Mall, and we've got a car coming into the city and coming up Burke Street Mall that's loaded with four people that were released on bail previously for offences and uh were driving a car that's stolen, that's taken off into a shopping set, it would have been terri terrifying for people that were watching. And the police arrest them, one of them gets bail, and I think the subsequent three that were remanded overnight ended up getting bail the following day. How would you like to be a police officer that's gone through all that, done the paperwork, away from their own families, away from the people that they love and adore processing these offenders to have them back out in the street laughing at them again the next day? And that's why we're losing officers.

SPEAKER_07: 6:17

And I think there's something, there's a lot of merit in what you're saying, but I always go back to, uh perhaps irritatingly so, uh, that the only people that can change that system is our members of parliament. They're the only ones who can do that. Yeah, well, I I So we've been having this conversation now for months and months and months and months. Uh nothing seems to have changed. I think there were some regulations that kicked in yesterday, first day of the month, so that's toughened up a little bit. What impact, if any, will that have?

SPEAKER_02: 6:47

Well, I don't know, but uh but I do um I I do subscribe to having a look at what's been done elsewhere in the world. Like let's just we've we've tried this way and it's not working, and it hasn't worked. We have a duty to protect our public that are living in their homes, and their cars that are parked in their garages should be there when they wake up in the morning and want to go to work. And people that are up and about at this time of the night should not be in fear of who's going to be walking around or knocking on their door. We've tried this way, it's not working. What about Singaporean law? Well, you look at Why can't we go the opposite the extreme opposite?

SPEAKER_07: 7:26

You look at what uh President Trump's doing in America, we're in certain cities around and he's he's explicit about uh putting the military in there. They want to do so, put the military in.

SPEAKER_02: 7:35

Now I I whether I I don't subscribe to utilising the military for it, I think we've got a massive problem now in hemorrhaging of police from Victoria. Um I I was talking to someone I was talking to someone the other day about policing who who's actually in an academy and was talking about not in Victoria Police Academy to be clear, but is in an academy that's offering very, very attractive offers to police officers from outside of that state. All right. So New Zealand hemorrhaging something fierce, hemorrhaging something awful, and they're coming over to Australia and going through the academy here. Um because why? Uh because they they just don't feel safe and they've just absolutely had enough in New Zealand and they're coming over because of the attractive office. Now I hear that the New Zealand police are now offering massive incentives for them to come back. You can take any job, you can go and do anything you want just to come back. And they're just going, no, see, they don't carry firearms in New Zealand at all.

SPEAKER_07: 8:41

Uh let's take this call, uh, John. You say you're an ex uh officer. Uh what do you put it all down to? John, good morning.

SPEAKER_05: 8:48

Yeah, you're gonna mate. Um yeah, hi Roger. It's uh JD here, by the way. Oh, long time. Yeah, you're gonna mate. Very long time. Listen, I just want to we've got a we've got a serious problem in in this state, um, the rise in crime. It and I put it down to a very soft left-wing government, and we now have a chief commissioner from New Zealand who's coming out of retirement when he was chief commissioner in a left-wing government in New Zealand. And tell me this: what is the problem when you don't have one senior police officer in any state of Australia, or in Victoria is not suitable to be our chief? There is something seriously wrong with our police force, and it's all due to this government that we have in this country right now, in this state, and and this is the problem. And I people have had a gut full. And uh, I've got to say, over the years, and I I said like mine beyond a bit bitter and twisted after being in a job for 36 years, but everything comes down to decisions made by the Labour government in this state, and it's resolved in what we have now is the highest crime rate ever in the last 14 years, I think now. And we don't even have the chief commissioner get up on publicly on radio TV, nor the premier publicly on radio TV and try and reach all the state of Victoria, except for a press release. Come on, guys, there's something seriously wrong in this state, and I put it down to and look, you know, I'm a conservative, I'm a police officer, I tied, but I've got to say there's something seriously wrong with what's going on in Victoria. Look, I don't think uh that's a great call.

SPEAKER_07: 10:35

Sorry, John, I was just gonna say, you it's a great call, and I thank you for that uh comment. But we've had we've had dozens and dozens and dozens of people talking and saying exactly the same thing, Rod.

SPEAKER_02: 10:44

Yeah, well, Jodie, I I wanted to talk about that situation with the Premier and the uh and the chief the other day with him covering for her at that um Remembrance Day service. Now that service was there for the police and for the it's in honour of the police, and it was not the time to ask the questions around that. So I I I look after I I support the chief in that, but let me just say this they walked right into that because sorry, who's that? The they the premier and the chief commissioner walked right into that because they hadn't the the crime stats were released, and where were they? They're Casper. There's n there's there's nowhere to be seen. And that was the first opportunity.

SPEAKER_07: 11:27

What would be the expectation about that though?

SPEAKER_02: 11:29

Those are when those stats came out Well, they knew they were coming and they wouldn't they can well and truly would have known exactly what was in those stats and knew that there was going to be a backlash from it massive. A backlash, sorry, a backlash from it. So what they should have been doing is they should have been on the front foot, called a press conference, handed out the crime stats, uh or the crime stats, they only gave the crime stats out, I think, something like an hour beforehand, which is not enough time for people to go through it. It's all very cunning by the government. And they need to they knew that was coming. They should have called a press conference and held the press conference so that it was all done and dealt with and answered the tough questions and reassured the public. I totally agree with Jody on that.

SPEAKER_07: 12:09

The public right around Australia is desperate desperately seeking uh you know heightened levels of reassurance and it doesn't seem to be there.

SPEAKER_02: 12:16

There's no level of reassurance.

SPEAKER_07: 12:18

Uh 133693 is our telephone number. We'll do this. Uh come back and have a call. Thank you, John, for yours. You've kicked it off beautifully for us. Roger Sutherland here, former police officer 40 plus years. 133693. You can send a text. 0477693 693 for Australia overnight. Uh lots of uh text, which is great. We need some calls, though. Uh come and have your say. 133693. It was reported uh the boys from Bendigo, you're a rangers. Yep. Uh a car stolen the queue area. It needs to be asked why boys are coming from places like Bendigo and connecting uh with other so yeah, I is there a cultural thing.

SPEAKER_02: 12:56

So that they can't like now what they're referring to here is they're referring to the four that came out of that beam, don't you? In the city, right? And there were some from Bendigo, some from Yara Rangers. And the question is, how did they connect? Well, work it out. It's organized. The whole thing is like organised, what they're doing, how they're going about it. You've got to remember their plan.

SPEAKER_07: 13:21

But so remove that for a moment, that the the idea of uh these people communicating with each other, which social media plays an enormous role in that.

SPEAKER_02: 13:30

Yes, it does. They were you've got to remember they were disrupted from doing whatever they were doing at the time. Their plan wasn't to drive into the Berg Street Mall and run off into um Emporium. So they were picked up out on the Eastern Freeway driving erratically in a stolen vehicle that was stolen the day before from Q. So what were they up to? What had they been up to overnight the night before during the day? Now that's obviously um another issue. But the thing is this is all organised, and that's how people from Bendigo are liaising with people from Yarra Rangers and things like that. And if you don't think that, and you what you think it's just people think that it's just pure luck that they it's pure coincidence that they're together. And I think it was released, someone was discussing it on the radio here in Melbourne, um, saying that there's like 1,100 known offenders in a group. Like 1,100 known, and they're all communicating and networking. And I I actually well, what about the the ones that have infiltrated the ankle bracelet companies and just basically turned off the monitoring? Yeah, wow. You know what I mean? They just put the money, got the money together to buy the company and then just send it off.

SPEAKER_07: 16:03

Uh I have friends in South Africa, uh, says this one from CAS. Hello, I have friends in South Africa who said they moved here ten years ago uh for a safer, better life. Now it's just as bad as things were at that time in South Africa.

SPEAKER_02: 16:17

Yeah. I I I I think it's I'm I'm going into town on Friday night. Um I've got my retirement function actually on Friday night. It's only 13 months after, but I've got a retirement function in town. And it it worries me going into town, taking my partner into town. No, I I would rather just stay at home and just do the punching.

SPEAKER_07: 16:38

It shouldn't be like that. Uh we've got the Lord Mayor uh in Melbourne saying uh Melbourne is a safe place. Uh and people people are not so sure that that's the case. That becomes the reality. The perception becomes the reality.

SPEAKER_02: 16:52

What people are seeing and hearing is what's actually going on, and not to mention what's not being reported as well. And people don't want to step over homeless people in the streets while they're in town. You know, you you don't want to go out in town with your your loved one, walking to a restaurant, stepping over homeless people, and walking around camps and places like in town. You don't want to be doing that. And what sort of an image does this paint? How many tourists were in the Burke Street Mall the other day when that happened? That are going, uh I heard about this, but I didn't think I would be part of it.

SPEAKER_07: 17:25

133693 is our telephone number. 133693, come and have your say. Or you can send a text, 04 777 693 693. Uh just before we came on here, you were uh uh talking about digital ID. Yep. As to and I said I said, I'm not too sure. I think we're already got uh our ID is recognisable uh pretty much all the time anyway, by the fact that we have a mobile phone, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02: 17:51

Um w look, we do the no doubt they know where, what, how, what we're spending our money on and doing I mean you've got to remember that COVID brought about this um um basically made us a cashless society. So wherever we tap every someone's monitoring what we're buying, what we're doing, where we are, everything like that. So it's unless you're out in my suburb, which is still all the Italians using cash, so no one knows where they are, which is typical. Um lots of cash. It's surprising when I say they say um they hold their hand out for the cash and I go to tap my car. Oh they have to find the F-post machine, right? Um it's funny how different communities are.

SPEAKER_07: 18:32

Well, I went to pay for something the uh the other day, and uh the person said, Yes, are you gonna put that on afterpay?

SPEAKER_02: 18:37

Afterpay. Yeah, I I was shocked at that. Are you gonna do afterpay with your afterpay? Yeah, because people are doing that. But uh and and once again, it that would be a demographic and and like in my area it's all cash, cash money. Um the cash would be status. But historically that's had its own problems, hasn't it? Um well it's a problem for the government, isn't it? Because they can't track what's happening, who's purchasing what when it's done by cash. That's a real problem there. So what we do is now we're talking about the digital ID in the UK that they want to introduce. Every single person has to have it. And I think we are dreaming here if we don't think that with the introduction of this under 16, that it's I I personally, this is my personal opinion, I actually believe it's insincere of the government. They're going to actually have everyone's ID around social media. This is my point.

SPEAKER_07: 19:30

Each and every one of us.

SPEAKER_02: 19:31

Every well, they're gonna have to, well, unless you're not on social media, because how else are you gonna prove that someone's over or under 16 years of age? Like, Roger runs his business on Instagram, and he's gonna have to provide ID to prove that he is over the age of 16 years of age to do that. And Tony McManus has got his Facebook account or his Twitter account, and you're gonna have to produce ID to show that you're over 16. So effectively, they are getting the ID off every single person that's on social media, or you turn your social media off. And that's the idea to stop all the communication going on in the background by the extreme, the conservatives. Yeah, Jill, come and say hi. Uh good morning to you.

SPEAKER_03: 20:12

Oh, hello, lads. Um, look, just before I get on to my question to Roger, uh, I was reading an article today. Apparently, none of the age assurance programs work properly anyway, and I'm against the whole thing. So there we go. I agree. Roger, sorry, I just you know, I don't know how much time there is. Uh Roger, I've got a question for you about police chases if that's the case.

SPEAKER_02: 20:36

Absolutely. Go ahead.

SPEAKER_03: 20:38

Oh, cheers. Okay. Now look, this could be from TV. Um, but uh, you know, for years and years in in Australia, mainly Victoria, but I'm aware of, you know, we we we see and hear a lot uh the police chases where, you know, some who start off maybe in Dandinong and then they're chased for hours ending up uh, you know, in the city, and there's a police helicopter surveying them as they go, and some police cars chase them, etc. And this always seems to follow the same pattern. What I've been wondering for years is um do police never sort of phone ahead to other police stations to sort of set up a uh a roadblock or something? Do you know what that's all about? I've never understood why this sort of weird chasing thing, endangering all in sundry for hours and hours when they might be able to be stopped maybe a few blocks up the road.

SPEAKER_02: 21:33

Okay. Now, as an ex-supervisor, great question. I can I can talk about that. Um We're not allowed to set roadblocks up, full stop. So roadblocks are not to be used. It's a it's a departmental instruction that you are not to use a roadblock. Um, so you're not to put other people of I don't know whether you remember, but there was the incident on the Tallamarine Freeway here in Melbourne where uh highway patrol members use members of the public to sort of block the road so that this stolen car couldn't come through and it crashed into the cars and it caused a problem. So that the policy came in that that wasn't to happen. So we're not allowed to do road blocks. Now the other thing I want to say, and let's be clear on the discussion around uh chasing, right? Because there's a pursuit and then there's a follow, right? So this is a play on words that a lot of officers are actually using. I believe uh uh technically a pursuit is if the person that you're following knows that you're uh chasing them, it's a pursuit. End of story, because you're trying to intercept them or you're trying to stop them and they take off. And if they take off, then they've evaded you, and that's the end of the offence. Then the police have to stop. They have to stop. Under the law to chase them. Under the law? Under the law, then allow to chase them under policy from um Victoria Police. Now there's so much confusion around the legislation. So what they do is they don't try and stop them, they just follow them. And the air wing, the the police helicopter is used as an aerial platform, right? It's an aerial platform observing these um cars that are driving, and they just use them to call locations and where they are. And technically, the police vehicles are sitting out of sight and away, ready, waiting for this car to pull into a driveway or to stop at an address or to do things like that. So it's not a chase, it's called a follow. But if that car now, they're they're they're wise to it, they do U-turns and then they go back and see how many cars are following them. As soon as they can see that there's a car, that a police vehicle that's following them, if that police vehicle takes off after it, it's a pursuit, but they're not calling it a pursuit, and this is the issue, and they go on forever on the radio. They go on forever, and it is, it's putting people in danger with what they're doing, but we have to either stop them or we have to just let it go. And now, the policies and let it go.

SPEAKER_07: 23:52

This is not like a uh three-minute segment of a TV show, no, and and they realize part of the problem as well. Jill, does any of that resonate?

SPEAKER_03: 23:59

Oh, yeah, no, it's it's very interesting to hear and explain, Roger. Um, I j I just wanted to know the thing is what you said about the roadblock uh earlier at the Telemarine incident, and I do remember that very well, actually. But my my understanding was that it wasn't the roadblock itself, it was the fact that they were using you know, non-police civilians, just random people who fought this roadblock, which was absolutely ridiculous. Yes, it's very unprofessional. But to set up a roadblock in itself to manage. It's not unprofessional. It's the fact of how they did it that was really bad. But a roadblock itself would have I mean, I don't know how it would have ended up. But um, I was wondering why roadblock themselves. You can do that. That's what puts people in danger because they're running through policy. Anyway, that's what we use as a roadblock. Well, I don't that's that's for police to work out how to do these things efficiently. Agree. You know, I'm just asking you what why there isn't such a system and and what's um what's stopping it and whether it would be effective. We'll talk about that when we come back.

SPEAKER_02: 25:14

Yeah, well the thing. I've got a discussion on that, but we'll talk about that when we come back.

SPEAKER_07: 25:17

We've got to do this. Uh Jill, it's always good to hear from you. Thank you. Uh come and join us, 133-693. And the text line, we'll get to them in just a moment as well. 0477-693-693. One text there. Uh for you, Roger, it will it be easy if we all get microchipped. Get microchipped uh nice and soon. Uh well, you know, I just wonder. Uh in a different world, it's almost futuristic. Uh, we'll all have some sort of chip in our head and our brain or our we e uh and we'll all be controlled. Will we be able to pay at the F POS with it? Well yes, pretty much yes. We'll all have electric cars, so the c the uh we'll uh they'll be able to just get into know who the driver is. Exactly right, we'll know who it is, uh and and the uh the uh the um governments will be able to control the cars. I just want to be a person. I just want to be a person. I think those days are gone. I think that horse has bolted. We've abused it sufficiently.

SPEAKER_02: 26:11

Oh, yeah, I know, but I think we've we've lost control. Put it this way, let's just simplify it. Where are we at today? Like where are we at today? We have to do something completely different. Because we have lost control now. We have completely lost control.

SPEAKER_07: 26:26

It feels like that for a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02: 26:30

And it's not just Victoria. We're we're talking to New South Wales, Queensland, policing worldwide actually, South Africa, um, New Zealand. I I communicate with police officers in the UK. They're they're hemorrhaging something fierce there as well. Um, it's not just here, so why is that?

SPEAKER_07: 26:47

VID is being used widely. What's VID?

SPEAKER_02: 26:49

I'm not 100% sure.

SPEAKER_07: 26:50

You'll have to let us know uh 700 what's it's give us another go, VID. I don't know what virtual ID, virtual ID. Oh, okay. Thank you, virtual ID, thank you for that. Uh see the young ones know what it stands at. Don't we hate acronyms? That's part of the problem as well. You chip me all the time. That's it, thank you. Jimmy, hello.

SPEAKER_06: 27:08

Hello, how are you doing? You wanted to say I wanted, I wanted no, I can't I can't even remember.

SPEAKER_07: 27:17

Jimmy, we'll come back to you in just a moment. Lee Ann, good morning to you. Hello.

SPEAKER_01: 27:21

Good morning, Tony and Roger and Jackson. Oh Roger, don't the Victorian police have road spikes?

SPEAKER_02: 27:27

Yes, they do, and I was literally just discussing this with Tony in that break because I wanted to talk about that with roadblocks. Is that what you're talking about?

SPEAKER_01: 27:37

Yeah, no, but I I also want to tell you that there's a new thing in America called a grappler. Yes, it's fantastic.

SPEAKER_02: 27:44

What's a grappler? What is it? The grappler's great, it comes out of the front of the police car, it sits in the police car, and they can get right up behind the car and it actually wraps around the axle. Yeah, and it stops the car. It fires a um uh like a an anchor for a bet want of a better word. It fires an anchor towards the car and it wraps into the wraps around the um axle of the car, and then they just the police car just slows down, which forces the other car to slow down. If they try and keep going, it just tears the axle out of the car. Fantastic.

SPEAKER_01: 28:15

There's a net that goes over the top of the car that stops him getting out of the car.

SPEAKER_02: 28:19

Yeah, yeah, that's right, with the nets. Yeah. Very clever. I I've I've got another theory. I've got a friend of mine at the poly, and I've discussed this with him numerous times. Don't tell me today there is not a laser-style technology available that can shut a vehicle down from a distance. And I would suspect with the electronics in a car today, I've said to him, you should be able to fire a laser at a car, not not like Star Wars type laser. I'm talking with pinpoint accuracy to be able to shut down the electronics in a car and stop it instantly. Surely that technology is available. Surely.

SPEAKER_07: 28:55

Apparently not. But apparently not. Uh, because otherwise, if there was, you would think that it would be available using the military would be using we were all driving electric cars. You would imagine that would be uh an easy gift because the cars will have to communicate uh.

SPEAKER_02: 29:09

But not only that, but a lot of cars that write run the electronics and the cars full stop anyway. That must be in a position where the military would definitely be using that type of technology to shut things down and stop things. I can't see why we can't be using one.

SPEAKER_07: 29:23

Leanne, thank you. It's a very good uh point. Uh vehicle interception device.

SPEAKER_02: 29:29

Uh TFDs, type tyre tire deflating device. T T D.

SPEAKER_07: 29:37

Lots of uh various texts. Uh when you send a little text, uh sometimes when you send the text, in your mind, it's a very important point. Yep. And I say this with great respect. By the time we read it, we go, Well, what is it to which you refer? So uh it's just M here from East Melbourne says, haha, hopefully I get the right one. The right what? Yeah. Not too sure. Uh thank you.

SPEAKER_04: 29:57

Uh Artie, good morning. Good morning, Tony Mac and Roger and Jackson now. What do you see when you're in about? I just wondering about the V police museum. There was a highway patrol car there, which you'd know as the candy car, the yellow. Is that still there? Is it still around? The via VL or VK, or I think it's the VL I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 30:20

Which was uh I I communicated with the felt touch. There is sorry, Arthur, there's actually a a guy on Instagram that um is it VK the number plate VK Intercept or something like that, I can't remember it. Uh he's communicated with me at length because I actually drove the very first VL turbo for Victoria Plus. Um I I I drove in an old VK five-litre V8 manual and drove out in a three-litre turbo. Um, it was a manual because we only had manual police cars then. Um but I um no, sorry, we had manuals at the highway patrol where I was, or the tolgate was known then. So uh in answer to that question, I know I can't answer for the museum as to whether it's there, but you will see it on display at various events because there is an enthusiast enthusiast that owns one that gets around to the demos. Is that the one you're talking about?

SPEAKER_04: 31:15

Yeah, look, I had a lot of mates in Sunshine. I used to actually train them in the back of the station, kickboxing before they went out and they let me sit in it. I was just fanatical about that uh Billy L and I was hoping to try and get there sometime and take a picture of it.

SPEAKER_02: 31:29

I've got a picture of me with mine on my Instagram. Oh, that's mad. Yeah, yeah. They were a great, great car, except the first time we drove it, I went down Beach Road to test it out. Now I will say this.

SPEAKER_07: 31:43

You got pinged. You done tell me you got pinged.

SPEAKER_02: 31:45

I didn't get pinged, but I didn't realise that there was an auto cutout on it, and I know when you're going round the corner and you're hanging it out as you're going round the corner going flat out and the engine cutout cut in, that was that was hairy for a while.

SPEAKER_07: 31:58

Uh 1100 talked about in the program this morning here on 3AW the uh crime stats, uh, but that 1100 committing over allegedly 7,000 offences.

SPEAKER_02: 32:08

Yeah, and they know who they are, and and that's the situation. But this is the frustration that the police have, Tony. That they know who they are, they know where they're moving, they know what they're doing, they can't they they do something with them and then they're back out. And that is on the government. That goes it comes back to government every time. It's not the police.

SPEAKER_07: 32:27

And yet you know, in this state, uh people voted for the government. Clearly in the democracy, they voted for the government. Yes. More than half. And you'd have to say in all likelihood, next year's election, in all likelihood, the way it's looking, given the uh given the shape in which the opposition seems to be, in all likelihood they would be re elected.

SPEAKER_02: 32:52

Well Brad Batten's starting to find his voice a little. He's been on the radio here talking. About it. But that's not the opposite. No, I agree. We've got to have this great team of people. They should have been fighting for how long? Exactly. Long time.

SPEAKER_07: 33:04

And that's that's part of the gaps, if you like, in democracy. Absolutely it is. Yep. 133693 will take your call straight after this. Come and join us. Roger Sutherland is here from A Healthy Shift. Roger, uh 40-year veteran uh in uh policing. 133693 is the telephone number. I don't remember in my time and and nor would you, I wouldn't think, would imagine a time where uh people across Australia uh are anxious as much as they are uh at the moment.

SPEAKER_02: 33:36

No, definitely not. Definitely not. And and as I said, I I I communicate with a lot with everyone's got family. You've got friends in Perth, obviously. Um friends you've probably got friends Australia right. Everyone is talking about the same topic. It's not just Melbourne. It's not just Melbourne. And this is what the Victorians have to understand as well. It isn't just Melbourne, it is is a lot around a lot of places.

SPEAKER_07: 34:00

What uh uh and I gotta be careful how I put this, there are there are parts of the media, yes Australian media, which make an enormous effort to keep telling you how bad things are.

SPEAKER_02: 34:14

Yeah, we better be careful how we put that. Yeah. I think um I agree, and social media is a killer for this. And social media does that too. Yeah, we spoke about confirmation bias last week, and I ended up recording a podcast on that talking about confirmation bias. Uh not last week, the week before when I was on the show. Because if you are a conservative and you are clicking on conservative um content, whether it's on Twitter, whether it's on Instagram, Facebook. What do you get back? All conservative. They think, okay, this is what you want to see, so we'll keep showing you that. So then that just feeds into your confirmation bias around that. Now, if you are left and you want to um uh and you're clicking on and supporting that, of course, you're gonna get all that. What I hate about it all at the moment is how divisive it is, and we can't have conversations around it anymore. It's become really ugly in conversation. And that was the thread of my podcast that I did on it.

SPEAKER_07: 35:10

Uh the reason people are uh uh just put that one up for me, uh Jackson. The reason people uh vote for existing government, 50% of the population if that's right. Yep. Uh unchecked, as the Brecky team would say, uh 50% of the uh people reply rely on the government for their income. Correct. Either employed by them or some support people keep voting for Labour because they don't want the gravy train to stop.

SPEAKER_02: 35:33

And and the allegation now is that the reason why the Premier took the four backbenches to China is where are the backbenches from? And what are they trying to do about who are they wanting to get to vote for them in the next election as well? As in the four backbenches, very Chinese-oriented areas. So they're what trying to get brownie points for people to vote for them in the next election?

SPEAKER_07: 35:56

I would have thought there was a long bow, though, but you'd maybe.

SPEAKER_02: 36:12

No, I said should we try it? Should it be something? Yep.

SPEAKER_06: 36:17

Sorry about that, sorry about that. Uh we're not ready for that. Um behind, lucky he didn't die. People will ring it up and complain that no, he uh did not uh to jail. He's settled out of court to let him play. What you're saying about the Singapore law, he'll be crying in the streets, people will be suking like suky babies. I agree they don't know what's gonna come for them.

SPEAKER_02: 37:18

Oh no, that's right. But how do you how does what's the solution? I I agree, I agree. We're not ready for it because it would be such a culture shock for us here. But what we're doing now is not working. It's it's a mess right now. It is a mess. Uh Jim, you wouldn't have a quick say hello.

SPEAKER_07: 37:37

Uh Jim, hold the line, we'll come back to you. Uh, Rodney, good morning to you. Hello. There you go, baby. Really well.

SPEAKER_00: 37:44

Yeah, well, we reckon uh uh that uh Al and she's gonna go. There's no worries about that. And I don't think I don't think the Victoria people recognize they must have been last time because they voted Andrew's in. But Brad Batten and and Team Gross and then QLM. They've got time to turn it around and they will turn it around.

SPEAKER_02: 38:10

They have time, you're right, they do.

SPEAKER_00: 38:14

If Labor gets back in, uh, you will see people will go from this state uh, you know, every day. I think I agree.

SPEAKER_02: 38:25

And I think what is even more terrifying, Rodney, is what we will find is private enterprise will leave this state as well. As in business will leave. Business will not just people as well, because they're done with being taxed.

SPEAKER_07: 38:41

Interesting text S713 says, uh, you know, Tony Mackey and uh Raj uh crimes happening uh hundreds of years ago. Uh and that's why convicts were sent here. Agreed. Yeah. They were all convicts here at that time. Stealing a piece of cake, though. It wasn't sort of necessarily brutality.

SPEAKER_02: 38:57

Arming yourself with machetes and breaking into people's houses stealing cars um is a big up from what they were sent to Australia for back then. Well, we'd we'd now long for those left.

SPEAKER_07: 39:10

Oh, we would long for the for that level. The cake and the cake eaters from the UK. That's very funny. Thank you. Bring back the cake eaters for two. Yeah, and then it brings us back to the discussion uh about elections and how our elections work in Australia, and uh we could do another hour just on that. Yeah, could uh have a look at what Roger does these days. It's called a healthy shift. Well, one word a healthyshift.com, uh, Instagram at underscore healthy underscore shift. Yep. Uh and uh some of the wonderful podcasts that you do for you.

SPEAKER_02: 39:43

I'm approaching episode 300 of the podcast as well at the moment, so I've done nearly 300. Um I think it's 296 we've just produced published, so uh or that goes out on Friday. But um yeah, we're up coming up to 300, which is all podcasts around um just strategies for shift workers to help shift workers with that. Um Healthy Shift, I put information out again that helps people. Plenty of resources on the website, healthyshift.com. Um, the seminars. I'm actually returning to Victoria Police to do a talk at women in policing um out at Forest Hill Police Station on the 14th of October. I'm really excited about that. So um being invited back to help the ladies because females really suffer with um shift work more than males doing that.

SPEAKER_07: 40:29

It's nice to see you in a couple of weeks.com. It is Australia overnight. We like the mood the other day.