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A Healthy Shift | The Shift Work Podcast
It doesn't have to be this way.
Welcome to A Healthy Shift | The Shift Work Podcast, the podcast helping shift workers thrive while changing how organisations think about people working in 24/7 environments.
Hosted by Roger Sutherland, Australia's Night Shift & Sleep Specialist, this is where evidence meets lived experience.
After more than 40 years of working rotating shifts with Victoria Police, followed by years studying nutrition, circadian biology, chrononutrition, sleep, human performance and women's health, Roger is on a mission to challenge the belief that fatigue, poor sleep, burnout and declining health are simply part of working shifts.
Because they don't have to be.
Whether you're a nurse, paramedic, police officer, firefighter, doctor, aged care worker, manufacturing employee, FIFO worker, miner, pilot, flight attendant, truck driver, dispatcher, or anyone working outside the traditional 9-to-5, this podcast will give you practical, evidence-based strategies to help you sleep better, improve your energy, optimise your health and perform at your best.
If you're a leader, manager, People & Culture professional, WHS specialist, or responsible for leading a 24/7 workforce, you'll discover a different way of thinking about shift work—one that focuses on building shift work capability from within through education, leadership and practical systems that create healthier people, stronger teams and higher-performing organisations.
Each episode explores topics including:
• Shift work
• Night shift
• Sleep after night shift
• Circadian rhythm
• Fatigue management
• Shift worker health
• Nutrition for shift workers
• Chrononutrition
• Recovery and resilience
• Women's health and shift work
• Leadership in 24/7 organisations
• Human performance
• Workplace wellbeing
• Fatigue risk management
• Building healthier, safer and higher-performing workplaces
This isn't another podcast offering generic health tips.
It's a podcast about changing the future of shift work.
Because healthier people create stronger teams.
Stronger teams build better organisations.
And it all starts by understanding how to work with biology, not against it.
It doesn't have to be this way.
A Healthy Shift | The Shift Work Podcast
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Forty years of night shifts taught me one crucial lesson—our bodies were never designed for midnight meals.
As the founder of A Healthy Shift and a former law enforcement officer, I’ve seen firsthand how eating habits can make or break a shift worker’s health. When darkness falls and melatonin kicks in, your body assumes it’s time to rest. Your digestive system slows down, your metabolism shifts into sleep mode—and yet, you're still up handling emergencies, writing reports, or caring for patients.
Every bite you take during those hours forces your body to wake up systems that are naturally winding down, creating a state of metabolic confusion, something most shift workers feel but don’t always understand.
For those currently battling the graveyard shift, I often recommend an overnight fasting approach when possible. Many of my clients who adopt this strategy report:
- Better sleep quality
- Faster recovery between shifts
- Improved overall well-being
Another major factor? Light exposure.
Blue light from phones, overhead lighting, and even car headlights tricks your brain into thinking it’s still daytime. It suppresses melatonin and delays sleep.
By creating a zero-blue light environment before bed, you can dramatically improve sleep quality, not just for yourself, but for your whole household.
Shift work may confuse your body clock, but your health doesn’t have to suffer. With the right tools, habits, and support, you can feel more energized, sleep better, and take control of your health, no matter what time your shift starts.
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Roger Sutherland is Australia's Night Shift & Sleep Specialist and the founder of A Healthy Shift.
After more than 40 years working rotating shifts with Victoria Police, Roger now helps organisations reduce fatigue risk, improve staff wellbeing and build healthier, safer and higher-performing 24/7 workplaces through evidence-based education, circadian biology and the Shift Work Champions™ Framework.
Shift Work Champions™: https://join.ahealthyshift.com/shift-work-capability
Website: https://ahealthyshift.com.au
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/roger-sutherland
Instagram: @a_healthy_shift
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Disclaimer: Roger Sutherland is not a doctor or a medical professional. Always consult a physician before implementing any strategies mentioned in this podcast. Use of this information is strictly at your own risk. Roger Sutherland will not assume any liability for direct or indirect losses or damages that may result from the use of the information contained in this podcast, including but not limited to economic loss, injury, illness, or death.
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Shift Work and Police Vehicles
Speaker 1On the night shift . You found another home . I know you're not alone , roger Sutherland , founder of A Healthy Shift , veteran law enforcement officer , top man , 40 years on the job . Roger , good morning .
Speaker 2Good morning to you , Tony . How are you this ?
Speaker 1morning . Remember the first car that you drove as an officer .
Speaker 2Tony , how are you this morning with the first car that you drove as an officer ? Oh , it would have been an XD panel van . Panel van .
Speaker 1Well , the divisional van .
Speaker 2Okay , so it was definitely a paddy wagon .
Speaker 1So it was a van in those days . Yeah , it was . What sort of training do you recall ? What sort of training ? Was there any training ?
Speaker 2Oh yeah , there was . Well , we used to have different class driving . There was the C class , which got you . There was the D class , which allowed you to drive a car .
Speaker 1Just drive it for transport Same license as I would have had .
Speaker 2Correct . But you had to go and get your D class , so you had to learn how to drive a police vehicle that way . And then you would . That was not for lights and sirens or anything like that , that was just to drive it . Then you would get your C class , which was for your divisional van to drive that , and you were allowed to drive that in a lights and sirens situation . But that also allowed you to drive the car in a lights and sirens situation .
Speaker 2Then you so an 18-year-old would have 20 years old I was 20 . I was 20 , yep , so I could drive at high speed with that because there was no limitations as there are now on the cars . And then I went to what was the Traffic Operations Group or the Highway Patrol at that time , where I got my B class .
Speaker 2We went up to Puckapunyal where they closed the road off and we just drove like cut cats and in fact I saw a police car disappear off the end of a bend one day . We were chasing it and it just disappeared off the end of the bend and went up the dirt road , which was the safety .
Speaker 1Go on see .
Speaker 2Just a cloud to dust .
Speaker 1And who would have trained them ? Drivers themselves or other officers ? The ?
Speaker 2driving school .
Speaker 1Driving school .
Speaker 2Well , I think they still got their own driving school , but they had their own driving school which taught people how to drive . It was kind of funny because you'd have your drive to work and then you'd go in the driving school cars and we used to push hard these unmarked cars that we'd be driving hard through traffic and of course there wasn't speed cameras and there wasn't the scrutiny from the public and dash cams and all those sort of things . All that was gone . Well , there wasn't any .
Speaker 1There was never so the old homicide thing , and you were there way after the old homicide TV show , but it was very basic , very simple vehicles . They were pretty much just off the .
Speaker 2Literally off the assembly line , assembly line and badged , and they would then badge them . Yeah , that's exactly how it was . And you may have had a two-way . Yeah , you had the radio in it which was VHF back then too . So , there , two-way . Yeah , you had the radio in it , which was VHF back then too . So there was only six channels . Jeez , I'm really showing my age now . Can you just stop asking questions like that ? Did you ever meet Leonard Teal ? No , I didn't meet Leonard Teal . No , did you ever meet Frank Banner ? No , I didn't meet Frank Banner either . But yeah , I know exactly who you're talking about . Or what about Tom Cronin ? What was he ? Paul ?
Speaker 1Cronin .
Speaker 2Paul Cronin . He used to call in on Sherl . He used to talk to Sherl on the radio .
Speaker 1We love Sherl Now , who played the role of Sherl 133693 . Who played the role of Sherl 133693 .
Speaker 2Well , Melissa's my Sherl . She's the one that does the Polish radio .
Speaker 1Yep . So she sits there all day sending out , receiving that information and then processing some of that information and heading it out to you .
Speaker 2Yep , what she does is there's a call taker that takes the job , then it hits her screen and then she reads it out , gives it to the police on the road , takes the result of the job and the units mark themselves on the way , they mark themselves out at the events and she's monitoring and dealing with all of that .
Speaker 1Which is a wonderful thing to go , and she's beautifully spoken , which makes a difference . I think the other morning we were talking about those when you go into a let's just call it a drive-through fast food chain , yes , and sometimes they go and you go , excuse me , and you've got no idea what they're saying . The pilot on the plane A bit of both on the pilot and the plane's , another one , or some of the great on the front of house staff who are reading stuff .
Speaker 2Flinders Street Station . That's exactly right , you've got no idea what they said why do they do that ? I have no idea . And how come their bosses are allowing them to get away with that ?
Speaker 1Apparently it's all part of the protocol and so long as it's said , it doesn't matter if nobody can understand a word . It doesn't seem to matter . I think it does , but anyway . I don't know , I would have thought it does we here to talk about a healthy shift . Now your good news is and let me just share this with the audience for those that are shift workers , jump on board and join us . 133693 . You've been invited as an associate investigator on a four-year study of what , who , how , why , when and where .
Speaker 2Yeah , I've been invited . It's very humbling After 40 years in the co-ops , within 12 months of retiring my passion , I'm actually getting involved in a research team . I've been invited by the Central Queensland University as part of a research team that's going to be doing a study on looking at and establishing the healthiest
Communication Challenges and Clear Speech
Speaker 2way for workers to eat at night for metabolic health . Now , I was one of the very first to put out there that we should be fasting overnight and I've spoken about that , and in fact , I've got a free e-book on my website that people can download to learn why we should fast and also how , even as a worker , we should fast . Oh , everyone should be fasting overnight , yes , so sorry to interrupt you on that .
Speaker 1No , that's fine Because that's a great story , so you would suggest that someone like me , or the zillions of other people that are working overnight and listening right now and you can join us too , by the way 133693 , should not be overeating , if at all , whilst we're up working ?
Speaker 2No , because our circadian rhythm literally shuts our digestive tract and everything down from the onset of melatonin . So once the dim light occurs and we get that dim light , melatonin onset . What actually happens is we don't metabolize and store nutrients the same way and in fact the analogy is it just screams at us it's gone to sleep and then we start forcing food into it . So it has to wake our system up to actually process it . So the fact that we're awake and we're eating , we're still shocking because our system , because that circadian rhythm is still running on a normal diurnal circadian rhythm , because that circadian rhythm is still running on a normal diurnal circadian rhythm , really .
Speaker 1So you're saying that if I have a little foosie come 3.30 , quarter to four this morning of some maybe dried fruit , some apricot and some pear , that's not necessarily a great ?
Speaker 2thing ? It's not , but you've got to sustain yourself at the same time as well , and that's why , tony , we've got this research happening and I've been invited , because they know what I'm like around this and I can use my platform .
Speaker 1You should point out that you've been reading and studying this for a long time .
Speaker 2Oh yeah , I want to make a point that I'm an evidence-based practitioner in what I study . So what I say and what I do is and the researchers there's professors and doctors , there's eight , nine on this team and I'm one of the people on the team we're going to be using shift workers to actually and feeding them different things and seeing what the impact of that is on their system , so that this I can tell you , tony , this is going to shape the future of eating on shift work worldwide . Shape the future of eating on shift work worldwide . The Central Queensland University is a real authority worldwide on shift work and eating and this study will shape the way we instruct shift workers moving forward .
Speaker 1Is it a surprise you , a university in Queensland , has jumped on this , where perhaps universities here have perhaps not jumped on board . No , no , do we ?
Speaker 2read anything into that . No , no , the Central Queensland University , I think you'll find , is where the team is that does that . They're out of Adelaide . They're not even out of Queensland . They're out of Adelaide , which is interesting because there's a campus for the Central Queensland University in Adelaide . But Monash are very big oh , that's good Massive . They're very , very big in studying shift work and sleep more . But I follow all of these researchers . So when I was invited to go into this research and then I looked at my name on the list amongst the people who I watch their research to learn all about shift work , I'm truly humbled by it and it's really exciting .
Speaker 1Look at all these texts . We were talking about Matlock Police . Michelle Forden , I think , played Shirl . Lots of other people saying it was Loray Desmond who was Shirl ? Tmac introduction is really lovely . Thank you , nursen , appreciate that . Tony , I had an ex-police panel van . What do they do now ? Do you know what happens to a lot of those former cop cars ? Because they used to be available , wouldn't they ? They would be sold afterwards .
Speaker 2Yeah , yeah . Well , they're sold , but the thing is they're using the ranges and the pods come off the back of them . They got stage where they were taking the pods off the back . Sorry , what's a pod ? The pod , which is the cage in the back of them , oh , the cage .
Speaker 1So they can lift it out and it just returns back to them .
Speaker 2We're going to put you into the pod . Chuck you in the pod . Yeah well , it was a pod , because it would go from one to the next , to the next .
Speaker 1Okay , so that would be preserved .
Speaker 2Yes , that's right , all right , thank you . Anyway , have you ever been in one In the back ? Yeah , no , Only putting someone in there . Well , I could tell you a very funny story about that .
Speaker 1Go on , please .
Speaker 2I was working with a trainee one day when I was at Malvern . I'm taking you back to 1987 . Sorry , 89 .
Speaker 1What a very good year .
Speaker 2And I was working with a young trainee and we were wrestling with an offender that we couldn't get into the back of the van and I actually said to the I yelled at the offender in very colourful language will you get in the back of the van ? Or words to that effect or words to that effect . And the next minute I hear this voice . What do you want me to do now ? And I looked and the trainee was in the back of the van , looking at the back of the van .
Speaker 2I kid you not , he was the one that jumped in the back of the van and said what do you want me to do now ?
Speaker 1So just a young , young , connie . Do you want to say hello to Captain Elfie at Paul Arlington ? Hello Captain .
Speaker 3I need greetings , tony .
Speaker 1Morning . Do you know Roger Roger's here with us as well .
Speaker 3Is Roger in the aviation business .
Speaker 1No , not yet , not yet . But if all the other projects go pear-shaped , it's a possibility .
Speaker 2That's a possibility .
Speaker 3I was just going to say that every time you went into , I mean , I guess the throwaway thing is someone controls you and then , like a Melbourne Sydney flight , you know , and you had to hold , and then you get into Sydney and look everything's up , it might have changed now . I've been retired for eight years . Yes , yeah .
Speaker 3Anyway , how's this ? And we all heard this taxing out holding , taxing out holding and American Airlines through the departure pregnancy . Yeah , thanks very much . This captain has his last flight and we'd like to say to you that you are the second best air traffic controller .
Speaker 1Oh , nice compliment .
Speaker 3Second best .
Speaker 1Yeah , second best .
Speaker 3Second best , he said . And then obviously some guy in the tower or something said who's the best , he said ? The rest of the world .
Speaker 1Yeah , good on you , captain , Well done . Very , very funny , roger . You sound very much like somebody by the name of Litwin from Men's Talk . What does that mean ? Oh , I don't know that .
Speaker 2No Litwin from Men's Talk .
Speaker 1Litwin from Men's Talk .
Speaker 2Paul Litwin from Men's Talk . Yeah , you'll have to let us know , I You'll have to let us know text ending in 223 .
Speaker 1We'll do this when we come back . Plenty of time for your calls . 133693 . Roger Sutherland is here . He coaches
A Healthy Shift Groundbreaking Research
Speaker 1people that you know essentially work , shift work . If you are a shift worker , we'd love to hear from you . 133693 for Australia Overnight . Hello to you . Good morning wherever you are right around Australia . Certainly not even morning air yet in WA , but you can join us as well on your normal talkback number . To come straight through to the program , be part of it 133 882, . Love you to join us wherever you are . As Donnie did earlier , fired up about the election coming up on the weekend . Gav's in Portland . Morning Gavin .
Speaker 4Morning mate , you were talking about eating at night and that Well , I'm a truck driver and we drive at night and we eat all the bloody time .
Speaker 2Yeah , I totally understand that , but what we're doing is we're looking at what we're going to be doing over the next four years is researching what is optimal , because it is not optimal for you to be eating overnight . Regardless whether you're a truck driver , a normal human being , regardless of what you are , it's less than optimal to be eating which is why a lot of truck drivers carry a lot of weight .
Speaker 4Oh well , I'm not . I'm only 85 kilos . I'm a small truck driver , but I eat like a horse .
Speaker 2Yeah , oh , good for you what sort of food out of interest .
Speaker 4what would you eat overnight ? Pies , steak sandwiches , salad sandwiches I eat pies .
Speaker 1How unusual I eat pies steak sandwiches .
Speaker 4And chocolate milk . A Big M's yeah into the iced coffees .
Speaker 1Yeah , you'd be one of those people that's just we all hate , because you can eat anything and it doesn't impact on you .
Speaker 4But it will catch up with you , and I have healthy food as well . Yeah , good for you . 90% of the time it's yeah .
Speaker 2All food's healthy .
Speaker 4I eat coffee , fries and all that sort of stuff .
Speaker 2Remember , all food's healthy . It's the quantity that is the problem . So everything in moderation . But I think the most important is to be aware , because it is not helping your system in any way whatsoever .
Speaker 1And I understand you're awake and you need to fuel yourself , but it's about what we do and this is what we're going to look at with the research as to what is the optimal way to fuel yourself overnight , the night . Could you imagine Gav doing a drive , working overnight and maybe not eating from , let's say , 11pm through until five or six the next morning ? Yep .
Speaker 4Oh no , no , you couldn't do it . I'd do that . You've got to have something in the belly .
Speaker 2Yeah , it's an interesting one . All of my clients , I help them with the fast and we structure the fast a particular way and they come out of the night shift . They sleep better , they come out of the night shift a lot quicker and feeling a lot better .
Speaker 4I agree with that . The other night I had a awful breakfast . I had a roast and hit the bed and slept like anything .
Speaker 2And you did or you didn't , sorry .
Speaker 4I did I slept like anything . The midges reckoned . I was snoring my head off . Beautiful I did . I slept like anything .
Speaker 2The mist was as big as I was snoring my head off Beautiful . Love that for you I really do , but you're the sort of person that everybody hates .
Speaker 1I'm sorry about that , but you're so blessed to be in that position .
Speaker 2That's fantastic .
Speaker 1Yeah , good on you , Gav . Keep in touch . Good to have you on the program , Tony . I was a flight attendant with Qantas and flew with the great Captain Elfie . Thought you may have been Nathan Koch . Ah , yes , we do talk about aviation , so forgive , if you will . Of course , Captain , it's not Nathan . Nathan Koch . We're actually talking about shift workers as opposed to vets and jets .
Speaker 1Nathan , as you know , is a captain , qantas captain , so they would know each other no doubt . If you would like to join the program 133693 , plenty of room on the board , you'll get through straight away . Particularly for shift workers , those that have been doing shift work for a long time , love you long time or have a sustained professional life working overnight I often feel for , say , those that deliver babies . So the great
Circadian Rhythms and Night Eating
Speaker 1Mr Mays in Ballarat , no longer with us , he delivered daughter number one and daughter number two in Ballarat . Yep , mr Mays was an extraordinary human being on many levels , but he would . He came into . My recollection is he came into the hospital at about 10.30 and he arrived in a black dinner suit . Come straight from dinner .
Speaker 2Well , he'd been at a function or a ball from my memory .
Speaker 1And then he said look , baby's definitely on the way . Talking about Jamie , and he said Jamie will arrive around about three past two , no that accurately .
Speaker 1That accurately . Yeah , so he then leaves , goes home and probably had a rest and a shower , whatever he did , and waltzes in at five to two yeah , a baby is delivered at three past two . No , how extraordinary is that ? That is incredible , and there would be hundreds of those sort of men and women right across Australia that are on call to deliver babies at that time of the morning and there'd be many people listening who delivered babies during the overnight 133693 . How amazing is that process . And what do you do about eating in that situation ?
Speaker 2Now I have clients come to me that we have big problems with that and the issue is that's circadian disruption . You're on call so you can't plan to eat at a particular time because you might go to bed , get up and all of a sudden you're at the vending machine at a hospital , like you said , with a doctor that's doing things like that , and what I advise is to have these ready-made snacks on hand high-protein snacks , like protein bars or protein shakes and things like that .
Speaker 1But that's processed though , isn't it ?
Speaker 2Protein bars . We've got to be getting that protein in . It is processed . Let's not have the process . It's about moderation . It's about getting something in instead . It is processed , let's not have the process . It's about moderation . It's about getting something in instead of having nothing . Obviously , we don't function properly with nothing but fruit , even fruit and a handful of nuts . I'll see you with your fruits and nuts . Absolutely perfect on night shift . Some hummus and some crackers is really good to have . You can buy those packs now .
Speaker 1I can't be sitting here at two o'clock in the morning talking to people eating hummus , because then I'd go . If we're going to do that , I'd like to have a beverage with it .
Speaker 2Well , of course .
Speaker 1Cheeky little . I don't know cheeky little Margaret River shardy or a little sparkling , maybe from the Yarra Valley .
Speaker 2Yeah , I know that would be elegant and a platter , with some cold cuts on it and everything else .
Speaker 1Oh gee , I miss those days .
Speaker 2Yes , well , the thing is we have these people that are getting up in the middle of the night all the time , that are running off to on-call people . We have doctors and nurses .
Speaker 1Well , that was my point about those that deliver babies .
Speaker 2Yep , but nurses we have . Well , that was my point about those that deliver babies Yep , but we've got a lot of police that are on call as well , that are getting turned out in the middle of the night . Paramedics get ramped stuck at places away from there A lot of our paramedic friends we don't realise they get a structured break into their shift , but that's all well and good when you can get back to your branch . But the majority of the paramedics are stuck ramped at hospitals , particularly here these days , and they can be for extended periods of time with no options of what to eat . So I guide them around that and in fact , I've produced an ebook , um , which is free for , uh , people like that to download , and it's called Snacks and it's non-perishable snacks that you can keep in your locker or your kit bag . And people can go to my Instagram , which is at a underscore healthy underscore shift .
Speaker 1All the details are there .
Speaker 2And they can just hit the word snacks on anything . If you put the word snacks and it will send you a link to download that and it is a free resource . Tony McAnrodger .
Speaker 1I find grandchildren get to sleep . This is really good . Have a listen to this . Yeah , I love it . I find grandchildren get to sleep so much later now . They used to go to sleep at 7.30 , and now it can be closer to , sometimes 10 and 11 pm . That is so late . They're in their bed but can't sleep . Try as hard as they can . Took them to the park for an hour today , had a shower . Still just went to bed a while ago At ages six and eight . Surely that's not enough sleep for the little tackers .
On-Call Workers and Smart Snacking
Speaker 1What can we ?
Speaker 2do . It's not enough sleep for the little tackers , and I'm going to give my friend and colleague a really big plug here , which is Dr Olivia Walsh we're going to get onto the show in two weeks' time who works out of the University of Minnesota . She's just written her book called Sleep Groove . She has her children her child sleeping from 6.30 pm to 6.30 am . She's a circadian biologist . She studies light and how it interacts with the body .
Speaker 1There will be mothers listening now right across Australia , thinking you're beauty .
Speaker 2Well , olivia is amazing with the way she's . I've interviewed her twice on the podcast and she's actually a mathematician , but she's branched into circadian because it's all very rhythmic , it's all linked in . Now , in answer to this text not enough daylight , blue light exposure during the day to these children , and then blue light exposure after dark is disrupted .
Speaker 1What does that mean ? People have no idea necessarily what you're talking about when you talk about blue light exposure .
Speaker 2Any white light is blue light .
Speaker 2We need light outside . We need that . The sky is that colour blue for a reason and our eye sees that , but it's hard to explain without a visual presentation . But the thing is in the spectrum of light that we see is blue . In the spectrum of light that we see is blue and the eye has a sensor that actually registers that blue . If it sees it , it thinks it's daytime , so it suppresses melatonin and it doesn't allow our body to go to sleep , and this is what these kids are suffering from . So we need to get up and get outside and get that light outside so that we're getting that correct spectrum of blue in our eyes during the day , but at night we need to take that blue out for the very reason that it is keeping us awake . And this is why children now , because of screens , because of TV after dark , we need to go to zero blue lighting in all workplaces so that we are not disrupting these circadian rhythms . My house at night is zero blue .
Speaker 1Your call is the other side 133693 . Keep the text . We'll get to those in just a tick as well . 0477-693-693 . There's a ripper there too . 6976 . We'll come to you shortly for Australia Overnight , roger Sutherland . I'm Tony McManus . Hello to you . For those that have just joined us right across Australia via 6PR in Perth , 5aa in Adelaide , the good people at 3OW right here in Melbourne where we are , roger . Thank you to each and every one . There's so many texts , leaf . Where's that text from Leaf that called through earlier ?
Speaker 1I'm going to call you out on that . He was singing a tune . Leaf is the host of the nighttime program on 5AA and he says sing it with me .
Speaker 2Tone , you're going home in the back of a dizzy van See now you are clearly showing that you have no idea what this song is .
Speaker 1When I saw it from Leif . I'm thinking I don't know what he's talking about .
Speaker 2You actually spoke it . And I then said and all Victorians that are listening to this now , all together , now you're going home in the back of a divvy van .
Speaker 1He's a South Australian , so it's not just Victorian .
Speaker 2Well , he's aware of it . It's the song that's sung .
Speaker 1You're going home in the back of a divvy van A divvy van Divvy van he's got dizzy van there , Okay divvy van it's supposed to be divvy , all right .
Speaker 2Yep , that's what it is Clap , clap clap and Victorians will be disappointed that you're not aware of that . And I said to you off air , have you never or near it ? Because this is all we hear for the Boxing Day Test Every time a policeman . You're going home in a divvy van . You're going home in the no . What happens is , you know how , when you go to the cricket or you go to a Boxing Day , match .
Speaker 1Are we on air ?
Speaker 2I hope so , gee God , when you go to the Boxing Day Test and the police come down and escort someone from .
Speaker 1Oh , I see , so it's like a chant .
Speaker 2It's a chant that they sing . You're going home in the back of a divvy van . That's what it is .
Speaker 1David in Mount Waverley . Hello , dave Says Tony and Roger , lighting requirements . What are they ? Blue
Blue Light and Sleep Problems
Speaker 1light at night what are those requirements if you want to buy something ?
Speaker 2It's very simple no blue light after dark . Okay , so if you go to my website , ahealthyshiftcom , or to all there and you can go to recommended products and there are zero blue lights there from a company called Block Blue Light there is also they're probably the leading one and I just think it's really important that we get these zero blue lights into homes once the sun's gone down .
Speaker 1An apple a day keeps the doctor away . Is that still relevant ? Yes , according to Maggie . Is it Maggie who says that Apple a day ? Where did we see that one ? No , that's from John , who says apple a day keeps the doctor away . I eat one large Bravo apple a day and they're delicious , very good .
Speaker 2Very good .
Speaker 1Apple a day , and it's still a thing I Very good , and it's still a thing I reckon there was a dear old childcare .
Speaker 1Remember we had childcare centres no , you wouldn't remember Childcare centres that mums and some dads would take baby to , and they were presumably supported by local councils . There was a sister on High Street , just around the corner from where we lived on Bella Vista Road , called Sister Feltham , and in that little office that she had there were signs all over the place . I remember it as a kid an apple a day will keep the doctor away and you know , like everything , you hear it over and over and over and I think there is still some truth in that . So I should have some fruit here , is that okay ?
Speaker 2Yeah , absolutely Fresh fruit Fruit overnight is ideal , and Absolutely Fresh fruit Fruit overnight is ideal . And the one thing that we've got to stop in life is we've got to stop demonising fruit for the sugar that's in it , because it's different . And the most important thing is , you never , ever , looked at someone overweight walking down the street and went they've just eaten far too much fruit .
Speaker 1Every game of cricket ever says Leithy . He's just texting back . Why don't we take this one ? Oh , the police radio operator . It's funny how people jump on board .
Speaker 2These are the police operators , and it's all different names .
Speaker 1I know Another one here named Sherlon Matlock Police was played by Margaret Christensen , a popular radio personality actress . That's from Helen in Doncaster , yeah , but Google tells me differently , somebody different .
Speaker 2Shirley Ann Keir .
Speaker 1That's the one that I've got Shirley .
Speaker 2Ann Keir , shirley Ann Keir .
Speaker 1Was that the name of the character or was that the name of the person playing the character , Shirley ?
Speaker 2On Australian TV series Matlock Police . The character Sherl was played by Shirley Ann Keir , so her real name is as Judy Brown . As Judy Brown , it doesn't make sense , does ?
Speaker 1it .
Speaker 2No , it doesn't Another actress named Shirley Smith played the character of Betty Barker in the same series . Oh , I don't know .
Speaker 1I don't know . It's all over the show . Let's give up . I love Roger here who says thank you , roger .
Speaker 2David , yeah , thank you , roger .
Speaker 1Thank you , roger . David , we'll do this . Comeback in just a moment for Australia Overnight G'day blokes . I'm friends with US Veterans of Motorcycle Club and I was over in Ohio Clubhouse recently . We were outside the club and the guy next door was getting arrested and I started singing . Every one of the club crapped up laughing at me . That was that song .
Speaker 2Hadn't heard it . It was a song by the Painters and Dockers that was released . You're Going Home in the Back of a Divvy Van . Let's see if challenge Painters and Dockers , you're Going Home in the Back of a Divvy Van .
Speaker 1We've got about 30 seconds to find it , because we've got the news . We might do it afterwards . Come out , come out . Thank you for coming in . The best way to do it is .
Speaker 2To go to the website ahealthyshiftcom or Instagram . A underscore healthy , underscore shift . I look forward to seeing you there .
Speaker 1And have a listen to the podcast , because some of those people to whom you speak are indeed fascinating . Would it kill you to invite them onto the program ?
Speaker 2What do you mean ? People listening ? I'll have anyone , if anyone wants to reach out .
Speaker 1But you've got them on the podcast .
Speaker 2Yeah .
Speaker 1Why don't you ask them to come on this program ?
Speaker 2I'm going to . I'll get people onto the podcast . I failed in bringing a guest onto the show this week , which I'm going to bring next two weeks . You've had two weeks . I know Two weeks and one job . One job , john , I'm sorry , I'll see you next time .
Speaker 1It's nice to see you , roger . Have a look at it . It's simply called all one word ahealthyshiftcom and Instagram at a underscore healthy underscore shift . The music quiz Australia Overnight Music Quiz is next .