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A Healthy Shift | The Shift Work Podcast
It doesn't have to be this way.
Welcome to A Healthy Shift | The Shift Work Podcast, the podcast helping shift workers thrive while changing how organisations think about people working in 24/7 environments.
Hosted by Roger Sutherland, Australia's Night Shift & Sleep Specialist, this is where evidence meets lived experience.
After more than 40 years of working rotating shifts with Victoria Police, followed by years studying nutrition, circadian biology, chrononutrition, sleep, human performance and women's health, Roger is on a mission to challenge the belief that fatigue, poor sleep, burnout and declining health are simply part of working shifts.
Because they don't have to be.
Whether you're a nurse, paramedic, police officer, firefighter, doctor, aged care worker, manufacturing employee, FIFO worker, miner, pilot, flight attendant, truck driver, dispatcher, or anyone working outside the traditional 9-to-5, this podcast will give you practical, evidence-based strategies to help you sleep better, improve your energy, optimise your health and perform at your best.
If you're a leader, manager, People & Culture professional, WHS specialist, or responsible for leading a 24/7 workforce, you'll discover a different way of thinking about shift work—one that focuses on building shift work capability from within through education, leadership and practical systems that create healthier people, stronger teams and higher-performing organisations.
Each episode explores topics including:
• Shift work
• Night shift
• Sleep after night shift
• Circadian rhythm
• Fatigue management
• Shift worker health
• Nutrition for shift workers
• Chrononutrition
• Recovery and resilience
• Women's health and shift work
• Leadership in 24/7 organisations
• Human performance
• Workplace wellbeing
• Fatigue risk management
• Building healthier, safer and higher-performing workplaces
This isn't another podcast offering generic health tips.
It's a podcast about changing the future of shift work.
Because healthier people create stronger teams.
Stronger teams build better organisations.
And it all starts by understanding how to work with biology, not against it.
It doesn't have to be this way.
A Healthy Shift | The Shift Work Podcast
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Journey back to 1974 as veteran law enforcement officer Roger Sutherland takes us on a nostalgic trip with his vivid memories of a David Cassidy concert at the iconic MCG. Explore the often overwhelming pressures of early stardom faced by young performers such as Cassidy and Justin Bieber. With a fond nod to rock legends, Roger discusses the differing paths of Bruce Springsteen, who remains grounded, and others who struggle with fame. We also dive into Roger's fandom for Kiss, highlighting the disciplined lifestyles of Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley. Listeners from Western Australia and beyond are invited to share their own musical memories and insights into the enduring influence of music.
The challenging world of FIFO (Fly-In-Fly-Out) mining work is brought to life through Donny’s experiences in the north-eastern Goldfields, as he shares how his family adapted to a life on the move. We touch on the evolving conditions and amenities for these workers, alongside the troubling issues of substance abuse faced by those returning home with too much money and idle time. Our discussion takes a technological turn with an examination of facial recognition in retail environments—exploring both its security benefits and the privacy concerns it raises. A personal story from Rob sheds light on the physical demands and risks associated with FIFO work.
Shifting gears, we engage in a heated debate about drug use and public health policies at festivals. The controversial topic of pill testing is explored alongside the parallels drawn to anti-smoking campaigns and the steep cost of cigarettes leading to illegal tobacco sales. We weigh the economic benefits of FIFO work against its social impacts on communities and families, pondering solutions for better integration. The episode wraps up with a conversation about graffiti, sparked by a caller named Arabia, who advocates for a transformation in drug policy from punishment to rehabilitation and legal regulation, emphasizing the potential benefits of a legal framework in managing drug-related issues.
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Roger Sutherland is Australia's Night Shift & Sleep Specialist and the founder of A Healthy Shift.
After more than 40 years working rotating shifts with Victoria Police, Roger now helps organisations reduce fatigue risk, improve staff wellbeing and build healthier, safer and higher-performing 24/7 workplaces through evidence-based education, circadian biology and the Shift Work Champions™ Framework.
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Night Shift With Roger Sutherland
Speaker 1On three it's Roger Sutherland morning , a healthy shift . It's going to be a long night , it's all right . The Night Shift you found another home . I know you're not alone On the Night Shift . Now just let me share , share like a bear . More about Roger , a veteran law enforcement officer . A veteran , 40 years and got away with it for 40 years . Yeah , it did , roger . Coaches these days does great work , working with people like and others , by the way , doing shift work all around Australia , not just to survive but to actually survive .
Speaker 1Thrive , thrive thank you Work as more energy to do the things . You can have a look at what he does ahealthyshiftcom , instagram at a underscore healthy underscore shift . Was that the only one that was available ? That's me . There's a lot of underscores , oh no , there's too many .
Speaker 4There's a lot of underscores Too many .
Speaker 1A Healthy Shift podcast . It's on all platforms . Roger , hello and nice to have you back in the studio . Morning to you . Tony , I feel like we haven't seen each other for a while .
Speaker 5It feels like that . It's got to be about a whole two weeks , I reckon .
Speaker 1Yeah , it feels longer .
Speaker 5David Cassidy . I went to the MCG and saw , david Cassidy , you did not I did too . I did too . I went and saw David Cassidy . I can tell you vividly , I remember , because when he Now I'd have to check what year that was , maybe Max could do that for us what year when the announcer was going keep going , keep going .
Speaker 1He's back , he's back from the stage .
Speaker 5He's back because the stage was being crushed in the middle of the ground and then they put him in the car and then the car took off towards the gate and then it skidded on the grass of the hallowed turf of the MCG , smashed into the fence with David Cassidy . He stood on the bonnet of the car , waved to everybody I'm okay . And then disappeared , did they only ? Do the one show in those days about the MCG in Melbourne .
Speaker 1Yep , well , I may have been right next door to you . We were heading into town and I had a dear mate who since sadly passed away , and we said , oh , we've got 45 minutes . So we got off at the Richmond Station , walked across to the MCG , walked in . We thought we were the only blokes there .
Speaker 5I reckon yeah , Well , I went with my dad .
Speaker 1There was a lot of young girls .
Speaker 5Max has pulled it up for us 1974 it was .
Speaker 1I was 10 years old .
Speaker 5Yeah , I was 10 . It , it was fantastic , and I was taken by my dad because I was a big fan of the Partridge family at the time . So , yeah , I know , don't look at me like that . It's pretty sad , but I lived in the country . We only had one channel and that was it .
Speaker 1Yeah , that was it .
Speaker 5Yeah , it was it . People don't realise how lucky they are today with all the channels , do they ?
Speaker 1And I think years later I read about that particular event and other events that David did in that very intense time that he was the number one kid in town in the world and he would finish those shows and within moments of walking off stage , let's say , for example , they whip him from there into . In those days would have been the Hilton Hotel on Wellington . Yes , he could be in a bath alone by himself inside about 12 and a half minutes . Terrible , what does that ?
Speaker 5do to your head , you can't begin to imagine what that must do to stardom . They talk about Justin Bieber , how he's very , very famous , lives his life but had stardom very , very early and was left back there , and this is why a lot of these people have a lot of mental issues , a lot of issues around that . Very confusing for a young person in their life to go through that and we do . We see such tragedy out of rock stars , don't we around that .
Speaker 1And yet others seem to be quite grounded Like you get the sense that Springsteen , for example , seems pretty grounded , adored right throughout North America .
Speaker 5Oh , very much so .
Speaker 1And the world , yep . But you get the sense that he's probably grounded and he doesn't immerse himself in the culture as much .
Speaker 5Look , since 1973 , actually 77 , I've been a massive , here we go , a massive Kiss fan . All right Now Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley no alcohol , no drugs ever , and the two band members that were on the drugs .
Speaker 1Do you really think so ?
Speaker 5Yeah , well , there was a little bit of weed , but certainly not to the extent . How much drugs ? 45 years , yeah , but 45 years at the top of the game , top of the game , and the only people that were involved heavily in drugs and alcohol in the band were removed from the band at the time .
Speaker 1Are you happy to take calls on anything ?
Speaker 5I really really want to talk to . I want to hear from someone from WA . I'd love to hear from a FIFO in West Australia .
Speaker 9Fly in fly out .
Speaker 5There's got to be lots and lots of fly in fly outs . To talk about the impact that fly in fly out has . To talk about the impact that fly-in fly-out has . Let's get the Perth people in Caro in Glen Osmond .
Speaker 1Hello , You're a David Cassidy fan . Say hello to Roger .
Speaker 3I'm still a David Cassidy fan I watch him on YouTube all the time , but I went to the concert . It was a Sunday afternoon . I think it was 74 . It was a Sunday afternoon , I think it was 74 .
Speaker 1It was Correct .
Speaker 3And I was very embarrassed because they started the concert with give me a D , give me an A , give me a V , and my mother was screaming it out .
Speaker 5Oh , dear , and I was very embarrassed . When I think back to it , I think about my dad . My dad took me .
Speaker 1Not my mum , my dad , that's weird .
Speaker 5Who was a copper ? My dad ?
Speaker 1wasn't .
Speaker 5He wasn't a copper no he wasn't , no , no , no , he was a rubber chemist . A what A rubber chemist .
Speaker 3The other thing you were talking about things that annoy you is people with elbows on tables and waving their cups .
Speaker 1Oh , carolyn , that is a golden oldie , but yes , and yet that now becomes acceptable .
Speaker 6But you say it all the time .
Speaker 1Yep , and yet I think we were taught don't put your elbows on the table and certainly don't wave your cutlery in the air . I agree .
Speaker 3It has become acceptable . We would have been slapped on our hands if we did that .
Speaker 1That's funny , Carolyn , it's lovely to have you on the program . Thank you for calling through , Dear old sparring partner Donnie's in Spearwood in WA . Hello Don .
Speaker 4Good morning , good morning , good morning , how are you ?
Speaker 1Be very careful . Roger's here and he's a former . He served as an officer of the law for 40 years and he knows where you live , don yeah .
Speaker 4Well done , rog . Good on you , mate . Thanks , don , I you're talking about
FIFO Work and Security Camera Debate
Speaker 4. You like to hear about FIFO ? Eh , I would love to talk to me Well mate , when I was doing FIFO we're talking about some years ago there wasn't roster 8 and 6 , 2 and 2 , or 2 and 1 . We were doing then we're up to 12 and 1 , then down to 8 and 1 , and then to 4 and 1 at the best . Okay .
Speaker 5Yeah , yeah .
Speaker 4So what I did ? I did two stints . Then I picked up a caravan and I took my family with me , okay , and I was in caravan for a few years with my young family and , look , we enjoyed it .
Speaker 1Which part of the world were you , Donny ? Were you going way up ? To which part of the world were you , Donny ? Were you going way up ? To which part of the state were you working is probably what I'm trying to ask .
Speaker 4Look , it was north-eastern Goldfields .
Speaker 1Right , okay , around Kalgoorlie , around that area .
Speaker 4Then all over the place after that . That was near Linster , Agnew , Laverton , all those areas Gee some challenges around there , Donny . Exactly . And then , once they moved from there , then we went to 4-1 . I was flying near Argyle Diamond , my river , okay , 4-1 . And now , mate , in the camps that we had , okay , nothing like what they've got today . Now they've got like units . You've got two rooms like to like headquarters , you've got your own shower , tv and all that , and I mean they've got everything we didn't , and you know what .
Speaker 6You know they got everything we didn't , and you know what you know .
Speaker 4They win like anything . You don't have to do anything , Tony and Roger . No one's forcing you to do anything .
Speaker 1Very , very true . We're talking about that off air , which we'll get back to in just a moment . Did you make a quid during those years , Donnie ?
Speaker 4Oh , look , after that I was on salary . Yeah , I was making good quid . The company was buying for all my stuff , including a car , you know , power , rent and all this stuff . Yeah , we made money , but you know what I enjoyed it .
Speaker 1But now let me tell you what the problem is now .
Speaker 4Let me tell you what the problem is now .
Speaker 1Let me tell you what the problem is . Now Hang on .
Speaker 4There's so much money , all right .
Speaker 1Hang on , donnie , just slow it down . We'll be here all morning .
Speaker 4So too much money , too much money and too many illegal substances when they come home to Perth .
Speaker 1Jeez Donnie , you're sounding like the great George Grilicich .
Speaker 4That's what he used to say Too much money , too much time ? Hey , yeah , but hey , don't worry about too much time , you don't have to take your legal substance . And that's what happens they hit the stuff . When they're down here , they take this crap to get themselves cleaned out and when they get up there , oh yeah , missing my family . Give me the break .
Speaker 1That's an interesting concept that it is Don's in Spearwood and he's been talking about those issues . The big conversation yesterday was the issue around bunning stores across Australia and whether or not the facial recognition thing is a thing that we should be concerned about .
Speaker 1Absolutely not , and I heard various broadcasters talking about it and I'm with most , I think , saying I don't care . Put as many cameras around as you like , put them everywhere . If it stops people from thinking what I'll do , I'll take my car keys . I've got my glasses , I've got my hat , oh by the way . Will we take the machete ?
Speaker 5Where did I put that machete ?
Speaker 1Where did I put it ? Oh no , thank you , I've got it ready to go .
Speaker 5Yeah , so I want them taking it oh no .
Speaker 5And I know people say cameras don't prevent the crime , and I understand that it's another way of looking at it as well . I it's another way of looking at it as well . I know , since we installed the cameras at home , we've seen things that I wish we hadn't . You know , terrified us around the house , but by the same token , that was used to actually convict the offender as well , which makes a big difference . And that's where it becomes very , very important that we have cameras everywhere , identify them , make sure I know people , and I just said to you off air , one of the good things for investigators , for the police , is when they start door-knocking houses . Now in the area everyone's got cameras shining out all over the place and it gives the detectives an opportunity now to see the offender and tie them in , to putting them into that area doing what they're doing as well , to give them information that we would not have had . I say have cameras everywhere . There's nothing to lose unless you've got something to hide .
Speaker 1Five-five Fly in , Fly out or not . Rob's in WA Morning Rob .
Speaker 6Morning . Do you know that little girl ?
Speaker 1Yeah , just you'll give us more information , rob . So you refer to ?
Speaker 6I'm talking about that girl who said now , here's my grandpa .
Speaker 1Oh , yes , that's my little granddaughter . Yes , Robert , okay .
Speaker 6She makes people laugh , you know .
Speaker 1Oh , that's nice of you to say , that's very kind of you to say Robert , how's your family going ?
Speaker 6We're going all right Now . My mate used to be a firefighter worker but he had to give it away because he had a broken . He did something to his back .
Speaker 9Yeah .
Speaker 6Yes , so he's not working no more . His back's all right . Yeah , and how long were they flying and flying out ? Oh , he was flying in and flying out probably twice , three or four times a week .
Speaker 1No , no , no , no in terms of for how many years was he doing it ?
Speaker 6Two years . A couple of years but he gave it away . But when he gave it away he got paid out the money because he did that work , the compliment and whatever . So he decided to pay . Buy . You know those camper vans you can drive home on wheels .
Speaker 1Beautiful yeah .
Speaker 6Well , he's got one there now , and every time Christmas comes up he packs his wife , packs the gear , packs the Christmas and off they go away for Christmas .
Speaker 1There you go patch the wife . That's it . Thank you , robert , jimmy morning .
Speaker 2Good morning , tony , roger and Zach . Because you're a police officer for 40 years , roger , I just wanted to ask you a question . Yes , when I got my car when I was 18 , my first car when I was living in Braybrook me and my friend decided we'd go for a long drive . We ended up in Camberwell and I ran out of petrol so I parked in a side street so I knew I was going to run out . I didn't know the Camberwell area and so me and my friend decided to sleep . It was night time and because he was tall , he wanted the back seat so he can stick his feet out to be comfortable . Early in the morning , two police officers knocked him .
Speaker 1So what hang on slow it down , so you're having a sleep in the car with the feet out .
Speaker 5the His mate's in the back seat with his feet out the window . Yeah .
Speaker 2Yeah , with his feet out the window so he can be comfortable , because he was too tall to get comfortable , but I was a bit shorter so I was all right . The car had bench seats in the front and back . But anyway , two police officers knock and wake us up and they said what are you doing , sleeping here ?
Speaker 1I said get out of the car long hair .
Speaker 2I didn't know the area and so they said , yeah , well , they told us where the petrol station was . They said you have to go and get some petrol and move on , because they said it's illegal to sleep in the car in the streets . Now what I want to ask with the cost of living crisis I hear on the radio all the time , people are living in their cars , out in the streets and in all different sort of areas . Is it still illegal to sleep in cars ?
Speaker 1Oh , it's a great question because you do hear a lot about it and I think we've all had a nod in the car at some point .
Speaker 5I think it's one of those things that we've started to accept .
Speaker 6Yeah .
Speaker 5You know , care at some point . I think it's one of those things that we've started to accept . Yeah , it performs into that other one . What are you going to do to someone that's sleeping in their car ? Don't get me wrong , but we're in a position today where the cost of living is out of control for a lot of people . If someone's sleeping in their car , clearly they've got nowhere else to go because half of what they own is also in the backseat of the car with them . And we see these cars driving around , don't we ? Have you noticed them on the road , people with nearly everything that they own in their car , and they just pull up somewhere and sleep . What are you going to do with them ? Where are you going to send them ? Now ? Life's different now . Where are you going to put them ? It's a tricky question , very , and that's what it's not dealt with . We don't want people . I know in different areas we get people parking in places that we don't want them in . But where are you going to send them on ? To the next suburb ?
Speaker 1A few weeks ago I did a job and had to change some cars over and things and I just knew that I hadn't probably rested sufficiently . So I pulled over at the back of Glen Iris and had a nap . But I'm really conscious thinking . I don't know , is this a bit weird ? If somebody driving past goes , who's this bloke sitting in a car , it's only 10.30 in the morning and he's sound asleep .
Speaker 5It wasn't the lime green one , was it ?
Speaker 1No , it wasn't the lime green one .
Speaker 7No .
Speaker 1The Volvo .
Speaker 7Not the Volvo , it wasn't the green Volvo .
Speaker 1Good on you , jimmy Pete morning .
Speaker 9Guys , good morning . Can I ask a question on this proposed pill testing thing ?
Speaker 5Yeah , let's talk about it . I don't really want to mention . Yeah , go ahead , let's talk about it .
Speaker 9I don't really want to mention what happened in Lowe's , but people who are taking drinks and taking substance that they don't know what's in it , and no one's really talked about the repercussions of what could happen If something like that happens at a pill testing site . If someone gives them a pill and says it's okay , they take it , end up in hospital .
Speaker 5I agree .
Speaker 9I agree it's the stupidest thing ever for a government to say this is a possible good thing to go . No one knows exactly what happened to those two poor girls .
Speaker 1No , they don't , which is just a tragedy .
Speaker 9Something unbearable
Debating Pill Testing at Festivals
Speaker 9to think of , just to think of . They're at the age where the Pilpits during these festivals , where they're saying that young kids are going to well , not kids , young adults are going to go and get their things tested and they're not guaranteed 100% . They're going to walk back out .
Speaker 5I find it . I love this call and I do Pete , because the situation is we are actually sanctioning an illegal activity . That's my take on it . We're sanctioning illegal activity and people go oh yeah , but you know , what they're going to do is they're actually going to take it anyway . So maybe we should test it . How about we just don't take it ? How about we just make it illegal , which it is ?
Speaker 1It's a scheduled poison and we don't allow it . The tablet is poisoned because we don't know what it is . It's clearly a drug of some description . We don't know what it is . We know it does this . So , in your experience , what does a 20 , 25 , 28 year old think in this day and age , it'll be okay for me .
Speaker 5That's what they think , because everybody else is doing it , so it's got to be okay . Now let me just put another spin on this from my perspective as well , which I think is really important . Tony , you don't know me from a bar of soap or what medications I'm on , what I'm taking , what I'm doing and what mental issues or situations biologically .
Speaker 2I have historically .
Speaker 5So you've got to walk up , hand a pill to someone . They're going to look at it and go , no , this one's okay . And then I take it and it interacts with something that I'm currently on . So what you're doing is you're palming off the responsibility onto that pill testing person that's going to say , no , this one's okay to that person , and then that person overdoses and has a massive problem with it . Is that the point you're making , peter ?
Speaker 7Yeah probably .
Speaker 1It's crazy .
Speaker 5It is absolutely . In my opinion , it's ludicrous and it's very , very frustrating for the police members as well that that's the situation .
Speaker 1Good on you , pete . So we're relying on David from Dandenong , who's doing a bit of selling , david from Dandenong , who's doing a bit of selling , for his medical and chemical expertise , to make a decision , as he's doing the deal with you , that this will be okay .
Speaker 5Yeah , but what you've got to remember is that I'm turning up to a festival with a pill and I'm in a line of people that are getting my pill tested by someone who's going one after the other . How much investigation are they actually making into the person to find out what they are actually on as far ?
Speaker 1as normal medications go particularly into those things . And yet others will say , oh yeah , but it's okay . If you're allowed to talk about wine and that's legal , that's right . Is that the only subtle distinction ? But we know that alcohol is also a poison .
Speaker 5Alcohol's a poison . Yeah , it's a poison straight away . But the bottom line is these drugs are manufactured in labs . I've seen these labs that these drugs are manufactured in , and you wouldn't put it in your mouth , I wouldn't have it anywhere near my person , let alone If people only knew where these drugs were coming from 133693 , more of your calls .
Speaker 1The other side , roger Sutherland . Here we're talking about night shift and a lot of the issues around working as a night shift worker . 133693 . And obviously the mere fact that Roger's here . Sometimes we move into issues around law and order . If you'd like to join us , you can do that . 133693 . Melbourne Town , on the question of pills , drugs , if you like .
Public Health and Safety Debate
Speaker 7Darren , what have you got for us ? I've just seen those Good evening gents . Anyway , I'm sorry , hi Darren . I've seen these commercials and they're run by the federal government about the dangers . I think it's the con that continues or the con that kills . Yeah , it's about cigarette smoking , vaping . I think it's the con that continues or the con that kills .
Speaker 7It's about cigarette smoking , and I think to myself my God we're going to pill test these , they should have pictures of clan labs as well . Associated with a clan lab with crooks mixing up all these horrible chemicals and all this brown muck , and I just think why aren't they doing the same for the pills that these young people take ? I completely agree .
Speaker 5Completely agree with you On cigarette packets . They've got pictures of the impact and things like that . I think they need to have posters as these kids are walking down the funnel to get their pills tested . They need to have pictures of these labs that these drugs have created . But then they would just say , oh , that's just scare tactics . That's not what it's like and that's the entitled society today .
Speaker 1Yeah , but then you've got the things Good on you , darren . Thank you very much for that call . I think most would agree with you around that . And then we've got the situation where the price of a packet of smokes at the moment has gone crazy . Therefore , there's an underground version of illegal tobacco products which has created crime , a whole new set of crimes . Yeah , it has . Yep , that's right .
Speaker 5Devastating to businesses . Well , it is absolutely devastating to businesses . If you're not involved , then you're involved so to speak . Yeah , that's the problem because , yeah , it does . So I don't know what the solution is because I'm not paid that's way above my paid grade but I know the general copper on the street is incredibly frustrated by legalising an illegal activity .
Speaker 1Look at the injecting reels . Yeah , I know , Exactly right Now . I know we've spoken briefly in the past about the big campaign for the offices , many of which you would be familiar with , the painting of the cars , the branding and what the association is trying to do . Do you see an outcome down the track based on the people with whom you speak ?
Speaker 5They're pretty stubborn , the people that I speak to . They're very stubborn with what they're doing . I have it on fairly good authority that they're up against it , like well and truly up against it . I think Fair Work Commission are the ones who are going to make the decision Make the decision and they can only work towards the inflation costs . They can only work towards that . What is indexation they can work towards ? I think the members will be lucky if they get up to the 3% .
Speaker 1Phil's in Kwinana . Fly in , fly out G'day Phil .
Speaker 8G'day , phil G'day . I've broken your serious question into three elements on FIFO . Yep , the first one is individual , then community and then fiscal . So the first thing about FIFO is just because of taxation benefits . Now the first thing about FIFO it destroys the local communities where the mines are because all of a sudden people are flying out from Perth . Example I've got clients who are renting their houses and as soon as they finish their shift they go to fly to Bali or Thailand or Singapore and they're renting their house out and getting more money . So that's one element that is under the radar .
Speaker 5I hadn't even thought of that . Say again I hadn't even thought of that , yep .
Speaker 8Oh no , it's big here . It's big big time here , because you can fly to like Thailand for $300 return and get your freaking flyer points , and you can't go and fly from Perth to Jero for under $400 . So go figure .
Speaker 5So you're saying that when they're time off , instead of going home , they rent their homes there ? They do , yeah , and then they go straight to time .
Speaker 8Predicating , that is , I'm talking about single boats . This doesn't work for the family people .
Speaker 3Yes .
Speaker 8Now , when you turn it to the family people if they're away for two or three weeks , the real thing is mother just and she's looking after the kids . She's got all the dishes on the left hand of the sink . Dad comes home and changes all around on the right hand side and wants to sleep for two or three days because it doesn't work . Yep . So that also Creates instability .
Speaker 8And then , depending on the roster , is he going to miss the faith , the child's Christmas party and birthdays and things ? So there's a social element that has to be concentrated . Now why do I say that Most of the FIFO guys now are engaged by employment companies , not the mining company that much , so they don't really care . All they want is a throughput and get the commission at providing bodies . So you know , that's another thing that we looked at . And the last one is on the community . Because when you've got a camp in and you've got the FIFO guys , and if they just look at what happens when at the airport they top up full of ink and then they start assaulting air crew and all sorts of things , so I don't think it's such a good thing . I would like in my heart to see it go back to okay , there's a mining company here , the life of the mine is 30 years . Forget the camp . How do we get people to live up here in the community ? So live in the community .
Speaker 8It's a much better lifestyle than , say , living in .
Speaker 1Perth . Yeah , good on you , phil . That's a much better lifestyle than , say , living in Perth . Yeah , good on you , phil , that's a great observation as you do so beautifully . Thank you very much for that . And the fly-in , fly-out thing is really attractive for a young bloke . Oh yeah , a 24 , 28 can have a pretty good job . Make a reasonable quid . Jump on a bird . Head to Bali out of WA . I'm talking about in particular , but I'm talking about in particular , but I'm sure other places around .
Speaker 1Australia as well , and then have a pretty good life and then fly back in for another spell of 10 days .
Speaker 5If I was 25 and I was flying from Perth up into the Mines region , I'd be flying out , going straight to Bali as well and spending my time off in Bali and coming back because it's cheap . What's there to go home to ?
Speaker 1Well , you want to see your mum and dad . We've had this discussion . We have had that discussion . Justin , a question with regards to cutting off as we're driving around Australia .
Speaker 10Yes , hello , how are you guys ?
Speaker 10Hi Justin , I've got two questions . This happened a couple of days ago , right ? So we were on the West End freeway and we were overtaken by a freight train and not a freight train , a freight truck and he indicated to overtake us , but then , when he overtook us , he didn't use his indicator and we almost had a crash , right ? So my question is is it illegal not to use your indicator when overtaking ? And , um , the other question is I'm on medication . Wait , let's address that one first . Let's do one at a time .
Speaker 5Yeah , Okay , every time you change lane you have to indicate to people , and for a sufficient time , and you also can't just put your indicator on and move straight in front of another car . You have to give way to that car to move across as well . So that's the first answer in relation to that . What else ?
Speaker 1have you got Justin across as ?
Speaker 10well . So that's the first answer . In relation to that , what else you got , Justin ? My second question is I'm on medication for my ADHD , which I take Inserta . Now , if I get pulled over by the police and I get drug tested , will that show up in the drug test ? Oh , I have absolutely no , because they're testing for .
Speaker 5I would not think so , because they're testing for . I would not think so because they're testing for illegal substances and I would be not worried about that in any way whatsoever .
Speaker 1Now , justin , thank you . There's a great book doing the rounds some years ago and I think there's been a recent update too called the Tipping Point . One of the things that they looked at in America in terms of the crimes that were there in the 70s and 80s and then tidied it up which I think Giuliani had a fair bit to do with in fairness to Giuliani it was to target things like fare evasion , to target things like graffiti at that base level , because they saw that those that want to skip a fare , those that think it's okay to scrawl over a wall , are then likely to upgrade their behavior to other things .
Speaker 5It's like the people that injure or maim animals as well . Time shows that people that start off injuring and maiming animals have a very poor approach to humans as well . So I think , yeah , that's an excellent point . Where do we start ? Where do we start ?
Speaker 1And I think that's probably a really good place to start . I think we've got to start looking at some of that , I mean , as I drive around as many of us do , by the way and you can tell us what you've seen , and when you've seen it ,
Graffiti, Drug Policy, Legalization Debate
Speaker 1about graffiti around the city area .
Speaker 5Oh , horrendous , it is dreadful . Okay , I want to talk about this because my mum's got a burn-up on it about this at the moment and it's brought my attention to it .
Speaker 1And what are we doing about those that actually do graffiti and scrawl all over property that does ?
Speaker 5not belong to them . Well , someone tell us , someone call us and tell us how bad it is that we don't actually prosecute to the nth . Because if you tried that in Singapore , what do you think would happen in Singapore ?
Speaker 1Your nether regions would be cut off . Yeah , that's right .
Speaker 5Metaphorically , which is it sounds brutal . But I remember they wanted to clean Singapore up and if you dropped a cigarette butt you really paid the price for it . And I agree . I think we need to start really early with a lot of people to paint the picture that this is just not okay , this behavior is not okay , like we talk about aggravated burglarism , what are we going to do about it ? And it's terrible . But if we were to start and lay the pattern of behavior in the early days ? Look , you know , we call teachers by their Christian names . We just wander in and out . A lot of schools are ununiform . Now when has all the respect gone ?
Speaker 5There's no consequence is what I say it's a major issue .
Speaker 1It's a major issue and it's all linked in . We'll take more calls . The other side , 133693 , if you'd like to join us . I'm Tony Mack . Roger Sutherland is here . It is Australia . Overnight . We've just gone down into the 3AW record . Good library for you . Here it is . Come on , wave your hands . Here we go .
Speaker 7I had told you . You don't know how many times I wished that I could hold you . You don't know how many times I wished that I could mold you Into someone who could cherish me as much as I cherish you . Perish is the word that more than applies To the hope in my heart each time I realise that I am not going to be the one to share your tears .
Speaker 1There it is what a beautiful voice . The 1974 David Cassidy . Oh yeah , Anniversary of his passing today .
Speaker 5Is it really ?
Speaker 12017 . He died . He was only 67 . Yeah , which in itself probably says a bit of a story A liver failure in the end .
Speaker 5Yes .
Speaker 1But just amazing .
Speaker 5And there was Danny Bonaduce as well , out of that show .
Speaker 1Danny Bonaduce .
Speaker 5He'd become a radio announcer himself .
Speaker 1Did a bit of disc jockeying , did a lot of In the day and had his own demons as well . Oh , very much so . And then the other lovely lady who then went on to LA Law as well Susan Day , susan Day , susan Day . Yep , from the Partridge family .
Speaker 5Oops , I'm showing my age now , See I had .
Speaker 1I think you probably did too a little thing for Susan .
Speaker 5Oh , how could you not have something for Susan Day ? She was good , she was like Marsha out of the Brady Bunch .
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Speaker 11Hi , I was just thought about the pill testing thing please , yeah do yeah , look , I got some thoughts on this because , uh , look , I worked in the court system as a transcription typist for a couple years , so I heard like every drug related case for like a couple of years , like quite a lot of stories , and I can't it really changed .
Speaker 11My kind of thinking on all this stuff and just my sort of general observations about this are like one , is that just just telling people just don't do the drugs ? It's just . If that was going to work , it would have worked by now , because we've been doing it this whole time . And then maybe two is that I think the emphasis needs to shift away from like punishment and enforcement to people who are actually trying to get better . You know , because I'm helping people and not putting down , and you know , thinking of it as a law and order thing , because that's the other thing that causes a lot of problems as well , and you know judges will stuff like we keep giving people longer and longer sentences and it doesn't work . It doesn't work .
Speaker 11And I think people who are trying to go to rehab to get help , it's very , very hard . I've heard a lot of those hearings where people are trying to get help and it's like oh well , there's no money , you're at the end of an 18-month waiting list , blah , blah , blah . But meanwhile the prisons and the police seem to have unlimited money , like billions and billions of dollars . So the emphasis needs to shift away from punishment , I think . And then the third thing and this is maybe the most controversial , but I say this based on a lot of experience is like the problem , one drug I do think should be illegal is meth . That one is fair , because meth actually does make you do terrible things , dreadful things , but everything else I got to say 90% of the time the problem was more that drugs are illegal and because they're illegal it means that they're criminals are the people you get them from . You then get a criminal record . It becomes dangerous , you know , I mean , we live in melbourne , you know like we've seen all the things that happen because of that right .
Speaker 11So therefore I can only kind of conclude I mean because you were just saying this before oh well , the pills are made in these filthy places . The police are really frustrated . How can you test properly when you don't know everyone ? Can you see how actually you could solve a lot of those problems if you legalised and regulated them ? Yep .
Speaker 1You know what I mean . Yeah , Robbie makes a good point there .
Speaker 5Robbie makes a fantastic point here , because Robbie makes a good point . Robbie makes a fantastic point here Because then the government can tax it as well , which would put it out of reach , and then we end up with another problem like we have with tobacco Illegal tobacco so
Speaker 5don't get me wrong . And , Robbie , that was a great call too , by the way , because I value your opinion , particularly as a court transcriber . Hearing a lot of the others and I think , hearing everything , both sides of the story and everything , I think that's fantastic . I'm not discrediting it at all . The way we're going is not the right way . Without any doubt whatsoever , do we legalise it ?
Speaker 1They do it in . So can you imagine if premiers across Australia said well , we've had a lot of thought about this and as of the end of June next year , drugs will be legal , apart from meth , apart from drugs will be legal .
Speaker 5From July 1 ? Apart from meth , everything's legal . It would hit the fan . Yeah , it would . Yeah , totally , there's no doubt about that at all . But the thought that I think and I'm going to go back because , as you know , I'm a certified nutritionist and we tell people you've got to move more and eat less to lose weight . And if it was that easy , everyone would be doing it , but they can't and it's a problem . And it's the same as getting off drugs and getting off , remember , alcohol is legal as well , but we have a massive problem with alcohol .
Speaker 1With alcoholism , we could do this all morning . Yeah , we may . Instagram at a underscore healthy underscore . Shift , a healthy shift . Have a look at thehealthyshiftcom . Three Stay calm and carry on . That's what we'll do . The other side , roger , coaches shift workers to thrive , not just survive . Have a look at what he does ahealthyshiftcom . Lots of podcasting as well , I've noticed .
Speaker 5Yeah , I've got a podcast . I haven't been asked yet , but that's fine , two a week . You haven't been asked to come on my podcast . No , okay , I'm going to have to ask you have your people talk to my people ? I will absolutely be doing that . I'll get Tony Mack on the podcast . That'll be special .
Speaker 1Nurse A nurse coming in next week . Nurse coming in next week .
Speaker 5Which or the week after ? I beg your pardon , no well in a fortnight's time . We've got Hayley coming in .
Speaker 1Oh Yep , A shift worker .
Speaker 5Absolutely .
Speaker 1Emergency nurse . Love all the shift working nurses . Thanks , Roger We'll talk soon .
Speaker 3Thank you very much , David .
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