Daylight Saving and Circadian Rhythms

Speaker 2 0:16

Really self-conscious now , as Simon pointed out to me a couple of weeks ago when I said on the Monday morning , straight up to remember when . When I said on the Monday morning , straight up to remember when , when I said thanks Phil and Bruce , do you reckon that's going to be replayed and replayed over Christmas ? We might have a bit of fun with that a bit later on . Ladies and gentlemen , 40-year veteran in Vic Pol , amazing Veteranship worker , recently retired . Instagram at a healthy shift , webs atahealthyshift Website , ahealthyshiftcom , whole website launched a whole library of free resources . When was that launched ?

Speaker 3 0:54

Well , it's actually going to be launched tomorrow . Oh , tomorrow , by whom ? By me .

Speaker 2 1:01

I'm the opener . I thought you were going to have some sort of ceremony , a launch of the big drink party and food and , you know , a gathering of a whole group of people for the launch of the website .

Speaker 3 1:10

Well no , the website's up . This is just a special area of a whole heap of free resources for it Right , so there's no beverage involved . No , no you would have been invited . Tony , you know that . Thank you .

Speaker 2 1:21

Daylight Savings Starts in 10 minutes . We'll get to that in just a moment , but if you'd like to know more , so in this hour , what we do , or sometimes even a couple of hours . We get a stack of calls from all around Australia , whether it be 5AA in Adelaide through the Ace Radio Network , 3aw here in Melbourne , shift workers Now anybody can join in People that you've known has ever been a shift worker . In what capacity ? How was it ? What are the highs , what are the lows of being a shift worker , for example , doing exactly what we're doing now , only really much more intricate than what we're doing , which I think we probably not . That we complain , roger ? No , we don't complain At all . I not complain . Who said that I not complain , roger ? No , we don't complain At all , I not complain . Who said that I not complain ? I not complain . We love it , love it , love it , love it . So if you'd like to join the program , you can do that right now . 133693 . Good morning , roger Sutherland .

Speaker 3 2:16

And good morning to you , Tony . How are you this morning ?

Speaker 2 2:19

Well , on a scale of and it's still only early , but I'm peaking around about just on a 9 , 9.2 , around that price point out of 10 , which is pretty good . I know why Sleep .

Speaker 3 2:30

Yeah , yeah , because I heard you talking to Dennis earlier and you said to Dennis that you actually got into bed really well early , pretty quickly . Yeah , yep , very quickly Fell asleep . That's the key . After night shift , getting into bed quickly . Yeah , after night shift , getting into bed quickly , before you stimulate yourself with any of that blue light which is tricking your body into thinking it's awake time . So you got in early , got to sleep . You didn't get up until two .

Speaker 2 2:54

I woke up I reckon I probably had a you and me about 10.30 , could do 11 . And then deliberately but you did go back to sleep . Yeah , put myself back in by a bit and then thought , oh well , if I get another hour I'll be fine . Didn't wake up till the past two .

Speaker 3 3:05

Yeah , you were ready . It's getting towards the end of the week too , isn't it ? I suppose You've done three , four nights . So this is four out of five . Now this shows you how we start to adjust our circadian rhythm towards the end of the week . If we put things right , by doing five nights of the night shift , you are literally starting to move yourself into that night shift mode , depending on how much daylight , blue light , daylight exposure that you actually get during the day .

Speaker 2 3:30

It was a really lovely Tuesday because it was a gorgeous day , yep . So I had the opportunity to actually sit and eat and read in the sun , outside the roof line , if you like .

Speaker 3 3:43

Now this is the key that makes a difference Absolutely . We are learning more and more about sunlight now the sun outside the roof line , if you like . Now this is the key that makes a difference Absolutely . We are learning more and more about sunlight now , and , in fact , I've learned tons in the last month about light and what we underestimate as well , tony , about light , as in daylight . What comes from the sun that daylight has all the different colours in it as well comes from the sun . That daylight has all the different colors in it as well .

Speaker 3 4:08

Now , let's just talk about that for one second , because we have the infrared that comes from daylight as well . Now , that infrared for those that have got infrared saunas no , it goes into the deep tissue and is part of our cell regeneration and also reduces inflammation in our body at the same time . So it's really , really good , the infrared . So that's one spectrum . Then we move to the next spectrum , which is the ultraviolet . Now , the ultraviolet is very , very important for us as well , because ultraviolet is a bacteria killer , so it goes deep into our body and is killing bacteria in our body at the same time . But of course , uvb is also what synthesises our vitamin D as well through our body . So it's very , very important . But here's another one for you Green the green spectrum of light is a mood enhancer for us as well , if you think about it when you go out and you have a wander around in the forest or you're out in the garden and you've ran green how calm you feel and how relaxed you feel .

Speaker 3 5:09

That's the green light , and that's what green light actually does to you . It's really important .

Speaker 2 5:13

But where do we get ? We're not going to get green light in here in this building , in 3AW for example , you're not going to get green light when you're walking down Collins Street .

Speaker 3 5:19

This is actually , yeah , but even walking down Collins Street there's a green spectrum of light in the white light that we see . So just being outside in daylight is the key for us as well , because it's got yellow and of course , it's got that all-important blue as well , and that blue is what tells our body where we're at in time and space . Our eyes actually sense blue light and it goes oh , we must be awake , so we suppress melatonin and we actually elevate cortisol in our body which gets us up and gets us going . So that's why , when you went out and sat at the back and you were , you know , having your read , catching up on the paper , Take the laptop out there .

Speaker 3 5:59

Take the laptop out there . You're actually at eye level . You're getting that full spectrum of light and that's why you felt so good and it probably helped you . You've got to remember we are diurnal creatures . We are designed to be awake during the day and to sleep at night . So getting that early daylight is the key , and I want to talk about that too , coming into daylight saving next week and how that disrupts our circadian rhythm as well when we get to it later on . But there you go . That's the daylight Really really helps us .

Speaker 2 6:27

It does make a difference . We might ask a question about daylight saving as to . I think there is still a bit of a divide , isn't there After all these years ? Most love it , clearly , most love it , but there are some people who don't look forward to it . I'm even worse ambivalent . Okay , really , why is that ? It doesn't bother me one way or t'other . Okay , yeah , and grew up with it , of course , in Melbourne for all those years , and you went to Perth Then in Western Australia . No , don't .

Speaker 3 6:55

I .

Speaker 2 6:55

No , there was for a couple of years , I think . Matt Burney brought it in when he was leader . He put it in , got through and they did another test . He did another test , Then there was a vote for it and it was flung out overwhelmingly . In Western Australia , Well , three-hour time difference between WA through the is a massive , Huge impost on business . Yes , it is . However , that's the reality . The three-hour time difference between Sydney , Melbourne and Perth seems really odd , but that's the reality .

Speaker 3 7:22

Well , even coming up down the east coast , because we've got Queensland an hour behind us as of next weekend . And the thing is , if you ask scientists about daylight saving , what do you think about daylight saving time ? And let's say it's daylight saving time , not savings time . So daylight saving time , you will find that scientists are categorically against it , categorically against daylight saving . If they ever looked at the evidence and the research and said , should we have daylight saving or not , they would definitely get rid of daylight saving .

Speaker 2 7:56

Where was the first place ? Where did the first idea come up to do daylight saving all those years ago ?

Speaker 3 8:00

It actually came . The Germans were the first that did it during World War I in I think it was 1914 . And they did it to save fuel during the war , which is quite an interesting thing . I'm not sure how it would save fuel , but that was introduced there , and then the Americans followed suit the following year , in 1915 , I think it was when they actually did that . Now there's only 70 countries that actually follow daylight saving . Don't ask me to name them all , we haven't got time . No , but the Asian countries don't India , philippines , also Thailand , japan , japan , I don't think the Japanese do , but most of the Asian countries don't actually observe daylight saving yeah , isn't that interesting ?

Speaker 2 8:43

And yet there's a real that is . I didn't know that . I just assumed that most would have had a . No , they don't .

Speaker 3 8:48

Not at all . And a lot of country , any country that actually follows the science wouldn't have it at all . Do you know ? Here's an interesting stat for you .

Speaker 2 8:57

Might ask the audience Does the United States of America , for example , ever have daylight ?

Speaker 3 9:02

saving ? Yes , for example , ever have daylight saving ? Yes , they do . There's only two states that don't . I think it's Colorado and Hawaii definitely don't . I know that . So Hawaii don't have daylight saving time and they're on a permanent time slot , and also I think it's Alabama one of those states . I'm not 100% sure . Now Someone will tell us but yeah , of the 52 states , 50 of them do .

Speaker 2 9:30

I didn't know that . All right , we've got to do this . When we come back , we'll take plenty of time for calls , those that have done shift work for a long time . We get some amazing conversations about it . Feel free to do that and , of course , given with your great background , anything to do with , I guess , some of the issues that have been doing the rounds in terms of law , law enforcement , the challenges that we're seeing and experiencing almost on a daily basis now .

Impact of Redundancies on Sleep

Speaker 2 9:58

Margaret in Northcote , good morning to you . Say hello to Roger .

Speaker 3 10:02

Hello Roger . Good morning Margaret . How are you ? I'm good . Thank you Excellent .

Speaker 5 10:09

I just want to bring up about redundancies . Redundancies how much yeah in the public health sector and how much pressure that has on yeah , sleep and yeah .

Speaker 2 10:22

Good question , great question . I don't know whether it's necessarily an area of expertise for you , rod , without putting you on the spot , but I guess any of those issues impact how you're feeling and how you do rest Not me , not me , but I know certain people at work , yeah , sure , yeah .

Speaker 3 10:41

Yeah , sorry , now you're talking about redundancy . Is that what you said ? Yeah , sorry , now you're talking about redundancy . Is that what you said ? Yes , yeah , yeah , correct , so as in , because they're so short-staffed and things like that , or people who are now no longer working shift work .

Speaker 5 10:52

People that I know have been made redundant Yep , so I know who they are by rumour , but I've been confirmed who they are . Yep , which should not actually be coming to me .

Speaker 3 11:06

I don't think there's any secret in the fact , margaret , that we could categorically say that our frontline health is being absolutely brutalised at the moment . Our nursing staff who , god bless them they've got a fantastic pay rise , or got their pay rise that they wanted during the week , and the AMBOs seem to have a bit of a boost , and the AMBOs have had a boost as well . But the thing is , you're right , they deserve it , because putting people off at a time when we need people and I know that there is a situation at the moment where it's putting more and more and more pressure on the staff that are still there , which is causing them to go off as well I fear greatly for frontline health in the next 12 months , and police in particular , but it's a good observation . And then getting themselves back from after working in frontline health shift work for a long time , getting back into a normal life routine , can be extremely difficult , plus the stress of no longer working as well , which adds to that .

Speaker 2 12:02

So , margaret , I think you're asking about the damage . Well , which adds to that . So , margaret , I think you're asking about the damage , just the damage that it does to the culture of the workplace . Is that where you're going and how that impacts on outcomes ?

Speaker 3 12:14

too going forward Yep .

Speaker 3 12:16

Okay , can I just comment ? Go on , go on . Yep , margaret , sorry , I just want to comment Now . You're obviously very passionate about it . I can hear in your voice you're very passionate because you've obviously seen some friends of yours that have been quite hurt by this and cheesed off .

Speaker 3 12:29

I'm in exactly the same position with the police leaving the police . There is well over 800 or 900 members at this point in time off on work cover at the moment . I learned to say that again . Eight or 900 , between 800 and 900 members on work cover . That's a lot of members Out of 18,000 . That's nearly 1,000 . That's a lot , a lot of your members . Now this is just in Victoria . I'll tell you what I did learn during the week too , margaret and Tony , was there's 7,000 police vacancies across Australia at the moment 7,000 . That's how much trouble we are in across the country without knowing . I know there's 18,000 sworn members in Victoria , I'm not sure , new South Wales , queensland and the rest of the country . But what the point Margaret makes ? The morale . It destroys morale of those that are left . It also puts additional pressure on those that are left and they end up burning out as well , without strategies to help them with that . That's what I'm here for to try and help , but I can't help with the staff , obviously .

Speaker 2 13:33

So , Margaret , I'm not too sure if any of that really helps you , but presumably no , no , no , it makes sense , it makes sense , yep , yep , yep . It's a dilemma for a lot of people that are going through that . Good to talk . Keep in touch , Margaret . Thank you , Len . Good morning to you .

Speaker 6 13:48

Good evening mate . Yeah , shift work here . I did shift work for about 26 years and you're loving it . I'm retired now .

Speaker 2 14:00

Yeah , because you used to be out of the airport , didn't you ? For a long time .

Speaker 6 14:04

Yeah , I was . Yeah , good on you , lenny . I've got a rude shock Before they put the 10-hour break in when I started driving on tarmac excuse me guys . Yeah , I went to work one morning at 0500 and got home 35 hours later . Oh jeez . No , that wasn't full-on work for 35 hours . I did sleep in the truck for got me sleep breaks and that and got paid for that time , but there was just a lack of staff .

Speaker 2 14:41

Lenny , that's a very good point . Rog , let me go back to you on this one . I mean to then do that sort of a shift and be sleeping in a truck , for example , yep , and we've all done that from time to time , of course , in various roles that we've had . I mean , I can remember doing lots of outside catering many , many years ago , where you'd do long shift work and then it was not worthwhile going home so you'd sleep somewhere , usually in the back of the hotel , quite often just have a rest to start again for a breakfast shift at 4.35 o'clock the next morning . But that cannot be good long term if at all .

Speaker 3 15:15

Massive benefit . Massive benefit for that , Tony . In fact , the opposite . Just getting rid of that sleep pressure , because what happens is we get more and more tired , so you think it's okay to do it like that . Oh , it's absolutely okay , it's very important . It stops what . To sleep in a truck ?

Speaker 3 15:31

No , but this is just to nap , right , oh right , getting that nap , getting that 20 minutes or half an hour nap in your truck , anybody that's a shift worker that's in a position to get a 20 to 30 minute nap . The benefits of that are absolutely enormous . That's why track drivers get that half hour every five hours , I think , if I'm still correct , I'm checking my brain here . But yeah , half an hour nap , 20 to 30 minute nap , just to release that sleep pressure , shows huge benefit in preventing accidents driven by fatigue . You've got to remember the longer you're awake , the more your body is forcing you to try and sleep and that's where those micro-naps come in .

Speaker 2 16:12

Mike's in Mentone Morning Michael .

Speaker 9 16:14

Hey Tony , hi Roger , Morning Mike . Can I share some good news with you ?

Speaker 3 16:20

You betcha Go for it , love it .

Speaker 9 16:23

Well , after 17 years of work , working night shift five days a week , I finally got my four-day week , so I get three-day weekends .

Speaker 3 16:36

How does that make you feel Ten ?

Speaker 9 16:37

years younger .

Speaker 3 16:38

Yeah , now you've made a very , very good observation here , mike , and I absolutely love this . One day doesn't that make an enormous difference ?

Speaker 9 16:48

Absolutely . I do not lie . I feel 10 years younger and I'm still doing 38 hours . But it's a hell of a difference at one extra day .

Speaker 3 16:57

Yes , I totally agree with you , and in fact there's really good research talking about this as well . Anything more than three or four days of night shift is actually quite detrimental to us , and a lot of shift working places need to drop back to these three or four nights . And the fact that's just such great evidence from you . How long have you been doing from five back to the four ?

Speaker 9 18:16

So this is my third week of four prior to that .

Speaker 2 18:20

And you feel better already because of that Wow .

Speaker 3 18:23

Oh , yeah , yeah , for sure , it makes a huge difference , doesn't it Mike ? It's not only physical , but it's psychological as well , isn't it ?

Speaker 9 18:32

Oh yeah . But the funny thing is on the first weekend where I finished on the Thursday morning . So then I woke up on the Friday morning after the first night's sleep and it was Sunday . I still thought it was Sunday . I thought , oh no , I've got to work tonight , not realise . And I still had two days to go .

Speaker 3 18:49

What a buzz . How good's that . I love that . Oh , it was . Yeah , it's life-changing . And do you find can I just ask you this too do you now find that you go into work more enthusiastically and embrace your four nights , that you do work ?

Speaker 9 19:05

better . Well , I am an enthusiastic worker anyway , but knowing that , so I do an 11-hour shift on a Sunday and then three eights right , Love it . So it's short-term pain , which is the Sunday 11 hours , but long-term of the three days off .

Speaker 3 19:25

Yeah , but I think the 11 hours for the first night is actually quite good for you because when I say it smashes you , it gets you into a routine first night , but then having those three more eight-hour shifts , which are almost human night shifts , aren't they doing eight hours ? There's a good message in this for other people that are in a position to actually change and go back to four nights of night shift in their routine . So you are a permanent night shift worker , are you Mike ?

Speaker 9 19:52

Yeah , yeah .

Speaker 2 19:54

And for how long have you been doing it , Michael ?

Speaker 9 19:58

I'm in my 17th year .

Speaker 3 19:59

Fantastic , love it . I just love hearing that .

Speaker 2 20:02

And going back to the four nights . Does that impact in the ?

Speaker 9 20:06

I would never go back to day shift .

Speaker 2 20:07

Put it that way , no , oh , there you go , and going back to the four nights , does that impact on your pay rate and your income level ?

Speaker 9 20:17

Well , I can tell you from what I was getting at five days compared to four days , you know how much less it is . Go $9.03 .

Speaker 3 20:27

There it is , but the benefits are $100,000 , aren't they ?

Speaker 9 20:31

You're kidding me . That's a copy and a half who cares .

Speaker 3 20:35

Yeah , that's fantastic . I love that .

Speaker 2 20:37

What a great story , mike . That might be the story of the morning . Thank you very much for sharing . If you've got one not dissimilar 133693 , we'd love to hear from you . I talked to Beersy here at ADAPT and I said Beersy , what about four mornings Monday , tuesday , wednesday , thursday and have it off on the Friday morning ? Yeah , you'll feel so much better . Well morning , yeah , you'll feel so much better Busy , but I'd miss it .

Speaker 3 21:03

Oh , of course you'd miss it , you'd miss all these people calling us .

Speaker 2 21:04

Let's go to quickly from Justin , good morning . Good morning . Tony , how are you ? I'm well Say hello to Roger .

Speaker 3 21:11

Morning , Justin . Hi Roger , how are you ? I'm well , thank you .

Speaker 4 21:14

Good , I'll just run you along . I've been playing basketball . Now he's a basketball champion . Yes , basketball champion . I've been over to New Zealand representing Australia in the state championships which we've won . Yep , I'm just wondering is there any part of me playing basketball good for my sleep , or do you think that I should be getting more sleep before my game ?

Speaker 2 21:48

Oh , from an athlete's point of view , athletic point of view .

Speaker 3 21:50

Yes , now , I can tell you now that specialist performance coaches are now really really focusing on sleep for that 1% . In fact , it's probably more , but they're really focusing on that 1% . Sleep has become . We've learnt more and more and sleep has become so important and integral and , in fact , even if you look at like the American NBL basketballers travelling across the country all the time they're crossing time zones . So what they need to be doing is they need to be adjusting into those time zones because regularity is so important to them . So sports performance coaches are actually adjusting their times earlier and training at the time when their game would actually be played in readiness for when they get to the actual destination to play To the venue , yeah . Otherwise . For when they get to the actual destination to play To the venue , yeah , otherwise . When they get to the venue , they're playing at a time when their body's not ready to actually play . So they're not getting that 1% better performance by being desynchronised circadian rhythm .

Speaker 2 22:53

Well , I mean , the West Coast Eagles and Frio have been talking about this for years as well . Yep , that three , sometimes three and a half , there and back . Yeah , massive , debilitating , yeah , very . You know , if you were Dean Cox back in the day , you're all of just under seven foot . Hey , you've got to sit in a plane . Front of carriage may not always necessarily be available . Oh no , all those sorts of issues and they've got to be managed on a regular basis for players across our great nation .

Speaker 3 23:23

It has a massive impact because , if I think about it now in hindsight getting to the airport , hanging around at the airport , going through security , getting on the plane Good process and then travelling across time zones with no exposure to proper daylight you might say you're sitting looking out the window , but it's not enough , right ? Not getting the proper exposure to the right blue light daylight that you need . Then you get to the other end , you're thrown on a bus . Then you get to a hotel , you're exhausted , so the last thing you're going to do is get outside . And this is where it does cause problems and teams that travel . You've got to give them , like Frio and Perth , even the Crows and Power travelling across time zones to play games got to give them a lot of credit for coming up , a lot of credit .

Speaker 2 24:10

Where are we off to A couple of really interesting texts . First , before we do a break , rob , good morning to you . Rob says I got home 4.30 yesterday

Shift Work Sleep Strategies

Speaker 2 24:18

morning but then were woken up at 8.30 . So in other words , four hours school holidays . Woke up with a headache , couldn't get back to sleep . The question is best to stay awake if can't get back to sleep and sleep later when the body and the mind makes allowances to do so ?

Speaker 3 24:36

Yeah , this is an absolutely fantastic topic to talk about . It's a great question too . So , rob , yes , when you get home at 4.30 and you get to sleep and you get woken up at 8.30 , you've had four hours sleep , you've already released the sleep pressure , so there is no sleep pressure left . Get up and get out . Now , the reason why you have that headache and you feel so lethargic is because your body is so confused . So the way to fix that is to get outside in that daylight , go and mow the lawn , get some gardening done , go and take the dog for a walk around the block a few times , stay out in the light and then , before you go back to work that night , a 20 to 30 minute nap or in a 90 minute cycle every 90 minutes you can have a sleep , or sleep for 90 minutes before you go back in , and that will help you Remember we're not supposed to sleep during the day . So what you've done or what your question is stay up . Stay up for sure , because you release the sleep pressure .

Speaker 2 25:36

Does it feel like I know in my situation ? It's not all about me , by the way , but in my situation I see each three or four hours as a nap , and that can be split by having something to eat , reading , returning some emails , maybe catching up on some news , although you would say is move away from the screen to some degree .

Speaker 3 25:55

No , not during the day . During the day is a good time to be doing this sort of thing . I think we need to completely change our thinking around our night shift sleep . Everyone's taking medications and doing everything they can to try and sleep as long as they possibly can during the day .

Speaker 2 26:12

I'm not doing that yet .

Speaker 3 26:13

No , no , but a lot of people do yeah .

Speaker 3 26:16

I know , like our nurses and God love them and the police , fire paramedics , they're all taking medications to sleep and it's detrimental because they're not actually sleeping . I think we need to change our thinking and treat it as a nap . Get into bed , sleep as long as we can . Once that sleep pressure's gone , wake up , get up , go for a walk , get out in the blue light , get out in that day , go for a walk , do something that you enjoy doing during the day and then go back and have that nap . So treat these night shift sleeps as naps 133693 will do this .

Speaker 2 26:48

Come back more of your calls . The big question we should ask , too , is what is it that people love ? What is it that people love about shift work ? We talk about maybe some of the frustrations or the downside , if you like , but what are the things that people have loved over the years , even if you're no longer working as a shift worker , what did you love most about ? We've had some amazing calls in the past about this . What did you love most about working as a shift worker , whether it be nursing ? When you think about how many taxi drivers could be listening right now , why do they continue to work overnight ? A , because obviously you're making a bit of

Night Shift Work Benefits and Challenges

Speaker 2 27:23

a quid , hopefully , but Uber drivers . So why are they doing it overnight as opposed to during the day ? What are the issues around that for them , when they knock off work and get home at 6 , 7 o'clock in the morning ?

Speaker 3 27:34

Yeah , but I think they love it . They love it at night because it's quieter . I think they love it at night because it's quieter , they can drive around . Obviously there becomes a bit of a risk for them In terms of traffic . You mean , yeah , yeah , quieter , but you know they can get longer fares . But they're probably doing more business at night too than during the day . Yeah , probably . They probably are , because that's the time people are going out 133693 .

Speaker 2 27:52

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Speaker 3 28:35

Yeah , see , I absolutely loved the night shift and the afternoon shift . It gave me a chance to do everything that I wanted to do in the morning . So I got to do me and then they could have a piece of me in the afternoon . You know what I mean . Like I would turn up and do my eight hours quite happily on the afternoon . So making appointments is so easy . And it's funny when you ring to make an appointment to see like a dentist or a specialist , when they say , oh , can you do 10 o'clock on Thursday , and you go , yep , absolutely I'll be there , and they think , oh good , because you're filling holes for them when they can't get the .

Speaker 3 29:08

I call them day walkers now . But they can't get the day walkers to fill those positions because they need to go late . The gym you can get into the gym and get out . You can go for a swim . Everything's quiet during the day , although it's getting busier now . So many more shift workers around . You think of it when you go to the shops and have a look around how many guys and women are wandering around during the day at shopping centres now as well . Clearly , shift workers .

Speaker 2 29:35

I'd like to do some research around that .

Speaker 3 29:36

I mean , you can't walk up and say hello , yeah , hello . What are you doing here ? Are you a shift worker ? Yeah , yeah , that's a very good point . Excuse me , what are you doing here ? Why are you here and not at work ?

Speaker 2 29:47

That would be a bit weird , I think , Roger .

Speaker 3 29:56

No , but people say to me when I go shopping they say oh , you're not working today or how's your day going ?

Speaker 2 30:00

What have you ? You know , why are you here at 10 o'clock in the morning ?

Speaker 3 30:03

Well , that's what they're implying . Yeah , yeah , they do , because you go and get a coffee at 11 o'clock and they see your mail here 11 o'clock .

Speaker 2 30:13

What you got a day off today . As a baker , I do shift work just to make a crust .

Speaker 3 30:19

That's great . Yeah , it is fantastic . The phantom is fantastic .

Speaker 2 30:23

Karen , just a quickie . Good morning , Karen .

Speaker 9 30:26

Hi Tony , it's Roger , is it ? Yes , Karen .

Speaker 5 30:30

Yeah , and it's on day like , so I feel like it's a good idea . I don't know what day like that was better . During summertime , you know you can get out and do more . Well , they don't want it .

Speaker 3 30:48

The problem that we have is and see , karen , you're one who loves it and you enjoy it because you can get outside and have dinner and then you can take yourself for a walk safely in the evening , in the light . Yeah .

Speaker 2 30:56

If you wanted to , yeah , if you wanted to A lot of people do do that .

Speaker 3 30:59

They get out and they can go for their walks and they feel quite safe but isn't that the same argument , karen and Rog ?

Speaker 2 31:04

where they go ? Oh , you know , it's no good for the the old . The odd is , oh , it fades the curtains . No , it doesn't . It's exactly the same yeah , yeah , that's right . Well , the light's getting longer anyway , it used to be a genuine argument oh no , it's no good because it fades the curtains , as Grandma used to say .

Speaker 3 31:20

I'll give you a stat . I can give you a few stats in relation to daylight saving . But daylight saving the Monday after daylight saving starts , oh , this is a big one .

Speaker 2 31:30

Listen to this , people . You won't believe this .

Speaker 3 31:32

The Monday after daylight and this is where the paramedics will absolutely tell you this and nursing doctors the Monday after daylight , saving starts sees an increase of heart attack by 24% . An increase in heart attack by 24% and cardiovascular events like stroke up to two days .

Speaker 2 31:52

Right ? Is that just on that first day of daylight saving , or is that for the entirety of daylight ?

Speaker 3 31:58

No , no , that's the first Monday after daylight saving . Or is that for the entirety of daylight ? No , no , that's the first Monday after daylight saving starts . Now , you know , daylight saving starts at 3 am on .

Speaker 3 32:06

Sunday morning Sunday morning , sorry , 2 am , the clock will go forward to 3 . But on the Monday , because of the desynchronization , you find that we get heart attack . The strain on the body is ridiculous and you might think , oh , come on , rog , what are you talking about ? Well , we can only follow the science on this 24% increase in heart attack and also increase in cardiovascular events like stroke . Up to 48 hours after the start of daylight saving Car accidents increase , accidents at work increase . You might think what it's ? Only an hour . It makes a huge difference .

Speaker 2 32:41

Seems so , Helen Surrey-Hills . Good morning Helen .

Speaker 10 32:45

Oh , good morning . I must be one of the million that love working , or I used to love working night shift .

Speaker 3 32:51

Yeah , me too . I loved it . It was a nice routine . How many nights did you do when you did it ?

Speaker 10 32:57

I did six nights nursing at the old Prince Henry's Hospital . Oh wow , and when I think about what we did , at midnight and 2 o'clock in the morning , we used to go into the boys' fracture ward and take them out of their harnesses and things and put them on a wheelchair with a plank of wood in front and race them around the corridors .

Speaker 3 33:22

What great stories . I love hearing this because I remember going back into well , I can talk about those things now . I remember the things that we used to get up to on night shift on the Parliament House steps as coppers , oh yeah .

Speaker 2 33:37

We'll come back to that . Yeah , we certainly will so . For you , then , helen , it was a joyous time . It was a lovely cultural fit .

Speaker 10 33:47

Well , it was lovely and quiet , and after the head nurse had checked us out , well , it was a bit of a different story . Behind closed doors then .

Speaker 3 33:58

You have the best voice . You've got such a calming voice as well . I can imagine you as a nurse , Helen , but I can also hear that little bit of scallywag in there as well . That would have been . You would have been the person that everyone would have wanted to work with and giggled all the way through the night , and I think this is the thing that we have with night shift . We form bonds that are unbroken out of night shifts , don't we ?

Speaker 10 34:22

Absolutely . Look , I think there are morning people and there are night people , agreed , totally . Trying to get some sense out of me at 7 or 8 o'clock in the morning is pretty much impossible .

Speaker 3 34:35

How much did you hate day shift , Helen ?

Speaker 10 34:38

Oh , I loathed I really loathed at the 6 o'clock in the morning until 4 in the afternoon Shocking , you know , it's really funny when you get older . You just have those memories . And I remember this guy . It was my first night on night duty and he said to me what time are you finishing ? And I said 6 o'clock in the morning and he said would you come and sit beside me when you finished ? And I said well , I can , but what is the problem ? Can you talk to me now ? No , he said I want to see you after six o'clock .

Speaker 10 35:16

So I went over to him and sat on his bed and said what would you like to talk about ? And he said I just want you to kneel over me . Just look at me . And he had an oxygen bottle on and an oxygen bottle beside his bed . And I thought this is all very strange . And I said to him why do you want me to do that ? And he said because I know I haven't got very strange . And I said to him why do you want me to do that ? And he said because I know I haven't got very long and I just want to see the face of an angel .

Speaker 3 35:48

There you go . What a great story . And do you know what ?

Speaker 10 35:51

I'm going to call you this Helen . You are an angel , and he was gone the next day .

Speaker 3 35:55

Oh , that's awful . At Eichelon Nurses , our living angels on earth , because they absolutely are the living angels on earth .

Speaker 2 36:05

How many years were you working , Helen ?

Speaker 10 36:07

25 .

Speaker 2 36:08

Amazing . Do you miss it ?

Speaker 10 36:11

Look , I could tell you so many stories . Would you like me to tell you another story ?

Speaker 3 36:14

Please do yeah , go .

Speaker 10 36:16

I was working in the men's medical ward . They're all prostate problems and things and I said to the guys look , all your teeth are not really very clean , but if you put them in the big basin that I'm about to bring into the ward , I'll take them out into the anteroom and I'll scrub them with the old Bon Amy , you probably can't believe it .

Speaker 2 36:39

Oh yes , bon Amy , bon Amy , you probably can't remember . Oh yes , bon Amy , bon Amy , yeah , which is like the Ajax almost . Yep , yes , that's right .

Speaker 10 36:46

So I scrubbed all the teeth and put them all back in the basin and then I couldn't remember who belonged to who . Oh , Teeth belonged to the guys . So one of them put the teeth in no , no , they're not my teeth . So they'd go back into the basin . And then another one would put in no , they're not mine either , so they'd go back into the basin .

Speaker 2 37:08

That is fantastic . That is just a way . Would you promise you'd come back and tell some of those stories again , Helen ?

Speaker 10 37:17

Sure , if you'd like some more , I can tell you , please do , and then we can produce a book .

Speaker 2 37:19

Oh , if you'd like some more , I can tell you , please do , and then we can produce a book . Oh really , great stories , well done . Thank you for that . You can imagine , just imagine , and it'd be the presumably to the , as you know , being a former copper . Now , those great relationships , working colleagues and those bonds are so important .

Speaker 3 37:40

You count so much more . See , the thing is particularly in the police . They do seven nights of night shift , so you're hooked up together with the same crew all the time .

Speaker 2 37:50

Just to expand that one greetings Roger and Tony . Here in South Australia the emergency department vehicles all have similar sound . When an ambulance , fire engine or the police vehicle passes by , the local dogs cry out loudly as in pain . Surely the emergency vehicles can find a different frequency that is similar . I'm not too sure . Is that an issue frequency for dogs ? Yeah , it is absolutely .

Speaker 3 38:14

For ambulance and police cars . It's kind of funny because you do notice locally that you might not actually hear the ambulance , but you can hear the dogs howling and then you can hear the ambulance as well .

Speaker 2 38:25

We've got more calls coming up . Are you happy to stay for a bit longer ?

Speaker 3 38:28

Yeah .

Speaker 2 38:28

I'm happy to do that . We've got more calls coming through which we'll get to in just a moment . Four minutes away from the hour , roger Sutherland is here . A healthy shift . If you'd like to be part of it , you can join us . 133693 . Text line 0477 693 693 . This is a great topic being raised by Elmo . Don't you wish your name was Elmo ? Oh yeah , good morning , elmo Boy . That's fantastic .

Speaker 3 38:55

Tickle me Elmo .

Speaker 2 38:57

Yeah , you reckon he hasn't heard that ever for the last 20 years . It's ruined his life . Elmo , good morning to you , he says . Gents Roger and Tony Mac , your chat on shift work really interests me . I worked permanent night shifts sorting mail back in the day in the mail exchange corner of Burke and Spencer , started at 9.30 at night right through until quarter past five . Meal break was at 1 , 1 am . Yep , we kicked a footy on Bourke Street or drove to Crazy Joe's corner of Ligon and Elgin Streets for souvlaki . So many happy memories .

Speaker 3 39:39

It is because you look at things like that and you would think what are these blokes doing kicking a footy at 1 o'clock in the morning ? But it's shift work and what they're doing is they're getting their bodies moving . And I know we look at it now , but we were so much better at it . Now what do we do ? We wander out into the mess room and we just scroll on our phones on a break instead of getting it and doing those sort of things . So that's great and Crazy Joe's . Yeah , that was good . There was a lot of great places to go . Stalactites was where we used to go all the time .

Speaker 2 40:11

Well , let's ask the audience . We'll ask the audience in the day

Late Night Eateries and Sleep Tips

Speaker 2 40:15

, not even for shift workers . Really , if you were looking for something really interesting , a place you'd go to , you know , probably post 10 , 11 o'clock at night , anywhere around Melbourne , anywhere around Adelaide . For the 5AA listeners , the Ace Radio Network , come and join us . 133693 . Where would you go for a late night shift work type beverage and or something interesting to eat , Because there was a time when there was not a lot ?

Speaker 3 40:43

open . Well , 7-eleven was the only place that used to be open , I know when I started , when was 7-Eleven , though that's only new , isn't it ? Relatively new 7-Elevens were around when I was , no , in the 80s , 90s Well we used to call them 7-Elevens , because 7 out of every 11 of them were held up . I'm going . I don't say that .

Speaker 2 41:02

True , probably be pretty close 60 . So I'm talking certainly in the 70s , which was my time . Where would you go ? There was a place on Turek Road . I think that made hot dogs .

Speaker 3 41:16

I think it might have called an Electro Dog or Electro Dog or something like that . On Turek Road , stalactites has always been there . Where's that Stalactites on the corner of oh God .

Speaker 2 41:27

One job .

Speaker 3 41:28

One job . I have one job . What's up Russell Street , in the city , right in the middle of the city here , stalactites , greek Open 24-7 . Everyone loved it . Still there , yep , still there . Yeah , everyone , everyone goes to Stalactites . Always went to Stalactites , great place to go . Greeks open , souvers , souvlakis , pizzas Always busy all hours of the night . Always it was just a coppers the police , the paramedics , fireys everyone used to go there as well , and anyone after a show in town used to go there . Concerts come back in . Everyone going to Stalactites .

Speaker 2 42:02

Because there's not much open in the city , then in those days , not in those days .

Speaker 3 42:06

No , no , no , that's right and I know when we were working on our crew on night shift we would have at least seven on our night shift and Tony Mack , it's your turn to cook on Monday night , so you'd cook for the whole crew . And then Tuesday I'd cook for the whole crew . Then Wednesday Jenny would cook for the whole crew and you know Karen would cook and everyone would bring in a meal and at 3 o'clock in the morning you'd be sitting eating whatever . But then we had Macca's started to open 24-7 , and everything's open 24-7 .

Speaker 3 42:37

Then it became a bit easy , and it just became too easy to get that fast food on the drive-through , so everyone was doing that , but it lost that bonding of what people used to do at that time . Plus , they're a hell of a lot more busy now too , chapel Street .

Speaker 2 42:50

What's this one here ? Text ending in 022 , keep your glasses on Chipolese , is it ?

Speaker 3 42:58

Chipolese and Chapel Street . Don't remember that Chipotle's . Let me guess it's a chip shop . I don't know Chipotle's . More information . The Crazy Horse there's a good one too . It was great for pancakes and maple syrup .

Speaker 2 43:07

Yeah , sure it was . That's why you went to the Crazy Horse in Adelaide For the pancakes For the pancakes . That's what I don't think so no Healthiest place to eat in the ? Where's the healthiest place to eat in the time of the war ? Oh , that's a great question .

Speaker 3 43:22

Yeah , it is a great question . I'm going to give you a hint Now . This is something that I'm glad this has been raised . Very , very important . We underestimate that . You can call by a 7-Eleven and get fresh sandwiches every day . Fresh sandwiches are dropped to 7-Eleven and wraps every single day , and I always went by the 7-Eleven and I would always go and get a fresh sandwich because you'd be getting chicken , you'd be getting the bread , you'd get the fibre , you'd have everything that you could get overnight . It'd keep you full longer . A lot better than driving through some of the other places .

Speaker 2 43:58

The Embassy of Taxi Cafe , spencer Street , massive , massive , the best , except if we went there as scouts . They took us there because it was something available two or three o'clock in the morning .

Speaker 3 44:08

That's a hell of a greasy spoon . I would call that a greasy spoon . They close it for two weeks of the year , over Christmas , and that we always used to think that they would just get the gurneys in there and clean the place with the gurneys .

Speaker 2 44:19

Well , let's ask the drivers all around , right through into southern New South Wales , through Western Australia , through South Australia , anywhere around Victoria , where would you go for a buy , two , three , four o'clock in the morning for the shift workers if it wasn't available on site , particularly when you're finished ? There used to be a couple of pubs open in WA where you could get an early morning one , a couple of pubs open in WA where you could get an early morning one at sort of 4.30 , 5 o'clock in the morning for a beer .

Speaker 2 44:42

The Wharf- is certainly .

Speaker 3 44:44

Well , the Wharf Hotel used to be open down here on Flinders Street . From what time ? All the time , I don't know . It was then when we got there . Yeah well , that was after night shift , though , 7.30 . You were women in uniform , weren't you ? Well , yes , we take the women out of uniform .

Speaker 2 45:01

Out of uniform okay , danny's in Port Augusta , good morning .

Speaker 11 45:06

Danny Roger .

Speaker 3 45:06

Tony Mack . How are you Morning ? Say hello to Roger Morning . Danny G'day Rog . How are you , mate ?

Speaker 11 45:13

Very well , how are you ? Very well , very well . Yeah , Superman has a form by the sun and , yeah , especially infrared and power of the sun . Correct , but I found recently on night shift , going home after you know five and five feet , in the morning , having a hot shower before going to bed has helped me get to sleep faster .

Speaker 3 45:34

Absolutely spot on . This is a really good topic to talk about , danny . Having a hot shower it sounds counterintuitive because we need to cool our body to go to sleep . But having a hot shower , when you get home and then getting into bed , what happens is it opens all the capillaries , opens everything in our skin . It also helps to draw the heat to the outside of the body and then what happens is when we hit the air , the body cools , which actually triggers sleep . So that's why that actually works . Yep , well done .

Speaker 11 46:11

I think the soothing water , as well as the heat , also relaxes the body into that state of sleep as well . I don't know You're the expert , but that state of sleep as well . I mean , I don't know You're the expert , but that's what I found anyway , you're absolutely spot on , danny .

Speaker 3 46:25

I'll give you another hint . Do you turn the light on in the ensuite when you shower ?

Speaker 11 46:29

Yeah , I have the not in the one sleep , but I have my bedroom light on , for example . Yeah , yeah , I don't flip over often .

Speaker 3 46:40

Get yourself a zero blue light that you can put into the shower .

Speaker 2 46:45

When you're there by yourself .

Speaker 3 46:48

Oh , zero . No , it's not blue , it's zero blue , it's got no blue in it at all . And you just put that into the bathroom , and I've got one . It's a sensor . One it's zero blue , it's got no blue in it at all . And you just put that into the bathroom and I've got one . It's a sensor one . It's a handheld one you put music on , oh yeah , and I just have that running while I'm sharing . It's incredibly calming . It's incredibly calming as well From her hair .

Speaker 11 47:08

Is that like one of those light switch nightlight things from Bunnings that you can get ?

Speaker 3 47:13

You've got to be careful .

Speaker 11 47:14

It's like a battery-operated thing .

Speaker 3 47:15

You've got to be careful . I'm not going to mention a product , but I do use a product myself . No , you can . You're allowed to . Yep . There's a company called Block Blue Light blockbluelightcomau . They have a whole range of zero blue lights and there's one there that's a USB charger that we leave in our en suite overnight . So if you have to get up in the middle of the night and go for a you and me it sensors and comes on , but it's got zero blue light in it and it's like a yellow light , I shower with that at night . It is fantastic . Before I go to bed and it starts to bring that melatonin on , you can feel yourself getting quite tired with it .

Speaker 11 47:54

Having it , yeah , it's almost a bit like candlelight from what it looks like , Correct .

Speaker 3 47:56

Yeah , If you think back to the evolution , years before electric light was invented , how did we light ? We lit with fire . So there was no blue light in fire , orange and red yes , and we'd be sitting there . You go camping and you haven't got a phone with you and you're just literally who hasn't got a phone with them ? But if you haven't got a phone with you and you've got the orange and red from the fire , you find that you start to drift off very , very quickly doing that . But yeah , Danny , try it with your shower , get a zero blue light . If you go to my website , ahealthyshiftcom , I've actually got a recommended products page on there and you can go to the recommended products page and and on there I've got a whole range of things that people can actually use to help them and that block blue light , or that zero blue light is just fantastic in your en suite overnight . Good on you , danny .

Speaker 2 48:48

Have a look at the website , mate . It's called HealthyShift . One word HealthyShiftcom . Thanks guys . Cheers for that one .

Speaker 11 48:53

Thanks , danny , keep . Thanks , guys , cheers for that one .

Speaker 2 48:55

Thanks , Danny . Keep in touch , Danny , Nice to talk to you . New book published the Inner Clock , Living in Sync , says Dr John . Did we mention that one ?

Speaker 3 49:02

We haven't mentioned it at all you

Book Recommendations and Late Night Shifts

Speaker 3 49:03

and I discussed it . This is living people's . I haven't seen this book , but I will definitely get a copy of it and have a look at it , as , as you know , I'm fascinated with the circadian rhythm , but I would like to recommend a book that I put as well . It's number two now on my reading list and that is Lifetime by Professor Russell Foster . Lifetime , professor Russell Foster . It talks to you about . It talks all about the circadian rhythm . He's got . I suggest getting it in an audio book . It's like grandpa reading your story . It's fantastic .

Speaker 2 49:34

It's a pity subway's not always open . There's another one , he says , at 9-11 you don't get to choose because often locked after the you know around 11 o'clock . It's like fuel stations too , of course . Yep , yeah , very true , sign of the times . So you can't actually go in and choose , pick and have a look at the freshest sandwich .

Speaker 3 49:55

I sandwich , I know , but the sandwiches are fresh every day , so whatever is not taken is discarded or replaced . Well , I would guess that that's the actual case .

Speaker 2 50:02

I've got a really good question for you the relationship between serving officers and McDonald's . Is it true ? There's a button on the till it used to be that says officer , police officer , correct .

Speaker 3 50:17

No , it was promo , police , promo , police promo . That's what it was called , wasn't it ?

Speaker 2 50:21

Tanya , we'll come to you . The other side , it is Australia Overnight . You can join us as well . Don't be shy . Those of you who have worked in shift work , if you have a very famous place that you used to go to for a bite to eat at 1 , 2 , 3 , 4 o'clock in the morning and there were many places , some of them not always absolutely squeaky clean , you know what we mean . 1-double-3-6-9-3 . Mate , we'll get , I promise you , those that are sending through text messages . We will get to them as well . But it's really about open line . We love the calls . We love the engagement with the callers . 133693 . It's Roger Sutherland . He's from a healthy shift , former copper , 40 years . Are you feeling more relaxed now ? The other side of full well pulling the pin , 40 years down the track oh , I've had a terrible month .

Speaker 3 51:10

I've had a terrible month .

Speaker 2 51:14

By readjustment .

Speaker 3 51:15

No , they forgot to process my cessation . Still going , still yeah , actually it was resolved today . In all honesty , it was resolved today . I haven't been paid and I haven't had access to my superannuation .

Speaker 2 51:28

Is that an off-air story or an on-air story ? It's an off-air . Tanya Mornington hello .

Speaker 7 51:34

Oh , good morning Tony , good morning Roger . How are you both ?

Speaker 3 51:37

Very well Tanya , very well Tanya .

Speaker 2 51:38

And I got your little message yesterday , which I thought was very , very funny , by way of a text . Tanya , thank you for that .

Speaker 7 51:43

I knew that would give you a little bit of humor this morning . It did . But I thought we'd ask Roger Every single day . What would you ?

Speaker 3 51:54

do with that extra hour . Wow , my goodness me . You have absolutely got me there .

Speaker 2 52:03

If someone gave me an extra hour every day , I would pour it into sleep .

Speaker 3 52:05

So everybody's .

Speaker 2 52:05

That was the most common response . That was the most common one yesterday morning , Tanya , wasn't it ? We'd have more sleep .

Speaker 3 52:10

Really Well . We need to prioritise it more we do .

Speaker 7 52:13

I said to have more sex . You are allowed to say that it's about a quarter of the morning .

Speaker 2 52:20

It's this time of the morning . So here's the big round of applause . So here's the thing . When you said that , tanya Roger's mouth went wide and dropped . His jaw dropped to the desk .

Speaker 7 52:34

As if that should be some sort of surprise Before he sleeps .

Speaker 3 52:37

Yeah , yeah , I think that's . I'm disappointed in myself for not saying that . Yeah why weren't you thinking of that ? I don't know , I cannot believe that . I I think because it was a and this is terrible , but I think it's because a female actually put it to me . I wasn't going to say oh .

Speaker 2 52:58

I'd have more sex . Good line , and here's the thing , tanya ?

Speaker 7 53:02

No , no , I'm just calling just to see how you both are , and I didn't think I spoke with Roger a couple of weeks ago so I thought I'd give him a call see how he is . I've just gone for a walk and then seen my friend who he turned 50 yesterday so I thought I'd better get him some cake

Age and Sleep

Speaker 7 53:14

and some balloons and some presents and have a little chat with him and then go and visit some more friends , go for a walk and then get a little bit of sleep , maybe an hour or two , and then back we go . New day , brand new day .

Speaker 2 53:25

You're amazing , an hour or two Incredible . I don't know how you do it , tony , you are a wonder woman in many , many ways . Super napper I am , I don't know , tanya . I don't know whether I've shared this story with you on air of late , but the great Normie Rowe you would remember the name , you might be too young , but you remember the name .

Speaker 3 53:41

Yes , I do .

Speaker 2 53:42

Normie has this mantra where he says whatever you do , don't let the old person creep in .

Speaker 3 53:50

Oh , that's an interesting one . I like that .

Speaker 2 53:52

And it's resonated since we had the conversation about four or five weeks ago and he keeps repeating it . Don't let the old person and many of us do that . Oh , we do , Unwittingly . Let ourselves do that , Both men and women . We let the older person creep in , we become that person , oh no .

Speaker 7 54:12

And that's a real challenge for all of us . I just told my friend who turned 50 , I said 50 is the new 30 .

Speaker 3 54:16

Oh yeah , absolutely . I totally agree with that , yeah .

Speaker 3 54:19

I do I totally agree with that . I love how people say to me like I transitioned into what I'm doing now at 56 . And people say to me , oh , you know , they're 28 and they think , oh , my life's over , I should have done this and I should have done that . And they think , oh , my life's over , I should have done this and I should have done that . Are you serious ? You've got 70 years to go . You haven't even gone a third of the way through your life at this point in time , like not even a third , and people are giving up before they get to 30 .

Speaker 7 54:46

Come on , I know and they keep thinking that you need to sleep for a third of your life . I don't believe that's really true , because I think you're just wasting a bit too much time when you're asleep . There's too much to do .

Speaker 2 54:55

Yeah Well , there's a great book called no . That's gone out of my head . I'll think of it better Tuesdays with Morrie . Tuesdays with Morrie A very famous book . Many people would have read it , and he talks about the idea of sleep being highly overrated .

Speaker 3 55:12

Oh no , I can't engage in this one because it's hopelessly underrated . Sleep , yeah , see . What you've got to understand is what our body does biologically .

Speaker 2 55:24

Can we let Tanya go ? She's got things to do . She doesn't want to talk to you all night .

Speaker 3 55:27

She's too busy , tanya's too busy . Tanya , nice to talk to you , I'll be , back later .

Speaker 7 55:30

Tony , yes , please .

Speaker 2 55:41

Talk Later , tony , please , please Talk to you both . Bye . Thank you , tonya . But the concept of the book he says it's overrated , because there are so many things to do in life that we can do well , do better for other people , and that's where life really is , that's where it sits , and we can do it better with seven to nine hours sleep , and I mean that with all sincerity .

Speaker 3 55:56

It's so important for our body biologically . We have to understand what our body does while we're sleeping . It detoxifies Our brain Alzheimer's poor sleep is linked to Alzheimer's and we have to be very , very careful with our brain requires sleep to detoxify and to resort all of those thoughts and processes . This is when our human growth hormone is released , when our body repairs . That's why you know and not only that , though , Tony , but let's just say this too Melatonin is elevated while we sleep , yeah , I know . And melatonin is elevated while we sleep , yeah , I know . And melatonin is our cancer preventer . Melatonin is the hormone that actually knocks out the free radicals in our system . Very important .

Speaker 2 56:44

Gerald Quigley always talks about that . Renee , if you stay there , roman , we'll come to you very shortly , I promise you G'day guys . Roger , thank you for mentioning the little light sensor . Ordering one that's from Marty Night Shift Truckie .

Speaker 3 56:57

Fantastic . I hope you got it through the website . But if you get the website there and you go into my Hang on .

Speaker 2 57:06

So you get a kickback . Now you get a toaster or something , not from that .

Speaker 3 57:08

No , let's get a toaster . No , I would not recommend anything on my website that I haven't tried , used and actually highly highly recommend , which is why you won't find magnesium on it .

Speaker 2 57:23

Thank you , all right , okay , oh , there you go . A healthy shift . I should bring you in with Gerald quickly one morning , absolutely Holy dooly . Ahealthyshiftcom . Numerous resources and links for . Have a look at it . Ahealthyshiftcom . Numerous resources and links for have a look at it . A healthyshiftcom . Roger Sutherland More calls the other side of this Hiya G'day . How you doing ? 1-double-3-6-9-3 , roger's favourite music genre circadian rhythm and snooze . Circadian rhythm and snooze . Thank you , phantom . He's on fire again .

Speaker 3 57:54

Oh , he is tonight . What would you do ?

Speaker 2 57:54

with an extra hour . Watch 60 Minutes . Watch 60 Minutes . Very funny . Renee in Dandenong . Renee , good morning .

Speaker 1 58:04

Good morning , tony , and hello Roger .

Speaker 3 58:07

Good morning Renee . How are you ?

Speaker 1 58:10

I'm good , thank you .

Speaker 3 58:11

Excellent .

Speaker 1 58:12

Now , tony , remember the 70s . I don't know where you used to go , but in Richmond Bridge Road there used to be a big cinema where they used to have Greek movies playing on the weekends and that . So our family and friends used to go there watch a Greek movie . And straight after the Greek movie , two or three doors down , there was a sobriety place , wow , and that was called Hollywood Palace .

Speaker 2 58:45

Hollywood Palace . Now , that was on which street Bridge ? On Bridge Road , on Bridge Road ? Yeah , now we'll just do a Google search Hollywood Palace , bridge Road . Presumably Renee no longer there .

Speaker 1 59:00

I don't think it is . I haven't been down that way for years .

Speaker 2 59:08

And it was a Greek family that ran it .

Speaker 1 59:11

Oh yes , the man and the son , and yeah , they were there for many years . And inside the swanky place was Space Invaders pinball machine . Oh yes , there you're talking Pool table . Pool table as well , because it was like two shops in one with a petition in the middle .

Speaker 2 59:37

Well , I'm just having a look at the . There's an amazing lot of pictures of it . So it's clearly branded Hollywood Palace , bridge Road . There's several pictures where it was sitting A great big red banner Hollywood Hill . I think Hollywood Palace , hollywood Hill , is that the same one ?

Speaker 3 59:58

179 .

Speaker 2 59:58

Bridge Road 179 .

Speaker 1 1:00:01

Bridge Road .

Speaker 2 1:00:03

Were they doing pizza as well ? Was it a bit of a pizza place ? No , no , no , no , it wasn't a pizza place , so not pizza .

Speaker 1 1:00:11

It was souvlakis . Yeah , hamburgers , souvlakis .

Speaker 2 1:00:16

And would you be able to get the ? And be honest about this . Could you get the occasional beverage out the back ?

Speaker 1 1:00:25

I can't remember because I didn't drink at the time . I don't think so . I don't think it was alcohol . No , no , no .

Speaker 2 1:00:33

No , wow , just looking at some of the information coming through , people have great memories of it . So you've set us up with a wonderful topic for another time . Those really wonderful places around Melbourne and for our Adelaide audience , adelaide , look at that Hollywood . Some people are saying 181 Bridge Road so it might have moved up the street perhaps .

Speaker 1 1:00:52

Anyway , the cinema has been knocked down I know that and they've turned them into little shops like a shopping centre .

Speaker 2 1:01:00

Well done you .

Speaker 1 1:01:01

Thank you , so it's not there anymore .

Speaker 2 1:01:02

Renee , what a great call . Thank you , it's lovely to hear your voices are from Dandenong , isn't that wonderful . So there's got to be all those sort of places . Rob's saying Zorbers Don't know where , zorbers Don't know where Zorbers was . Ross , you'll have to tell us where . Now , mrs Parker's .

Speaker 3 1:01:16

Yep and the Phantom again . That's another beauty . The scariest film he's ever seen . The Eros of Living Dangerously , the Eros of Living .

Speaker 2 1:01:26

That's very clever Phantom . Far Lump never had an opportunity of being a gelding to sense a stud , but the bloodlines from which he sprang are still strong , Meg . Thank you , Maggie . 70s , new 40s . How do you explain the younger gen from someone who can't turn back time ? Very good point there . It is Roman , good morning .

Speaker 12 1:01:46

In the 60s my brother and I had a fruit and vegetable central market , so we'd regularly get up at like 4 a 4am and head into the East End market and gather , because the growers would come down with all their produce , their apples and their collies or whatever it was , and you'd walk around with your very hand trolley and pick all the stuff up and then , when you'd finish by 6 o'clock , you'd head over to the Botanic Hotel and you'd have a toasted sandwich .

Speaker 2 1:02:19

With or without a beer .

Speaker 12 1:02:22

Sometimes with a beer , but not to anyone or two . We didn't go silly , but that's not why I rang .

Speaker 2 1:02:31

I love it . There's our first . That's not why I rang for the morning . Thank you , Excellent work , Adam .

Speaker 12 1:02:37

In the 50s we used to travel to a hostel and my father had a job spraying fridges and white goods for calvinators , oh . And he used to ride his pushbike from Gawler Hostel to Finsbury or wherever they were until the train started . And one day , when the train ran fairly regularly from Adelaide to Gawler , he'd catch the train and put the bike on the back and catch the train until he got afternoon shift and he was working , I think , from about 12 until about 7 or 8 in the evening . And because he was a good worker , one day they asked him if he'd stay on , if there'd be an extra for him to paint . So he stayed longer and they covered a whole load of bloody white goods for him to spray . By the time he finished he rode his push bike up to Adelaide railway station just as the last train headed off back to Gawler . So he slowly fuddled his way back to Gawler in time catch a couple of hours , tip bit of breakfast and then catch a 11 o'clock train back to Adelaide .

Speaker 2 1:03:54

What a great , some fantastic memories there . Roman , Thank you very much . It's always good to have you on the program .

Speaker 12 1:03:59

That's a hard-working old bugger .

Speaker 2 1:04:00

Yeah , don't you love them ? We remember them fondly , Roman . Well done you . Thank you for that , Ross . Good morning , You've got some memories of Hollywood Palace there in Richmond . What do we need to know ?

Speaker 8 1:04:12

No , I've got something even better for you to know . It still exists . Wow , it's now in Swan Street , just near the Richmond station .

Speaker 3 1:04:20

Wow , the Hollywood Palace Okay .

Speaker 8 1:04:23

Yeah , they've taken some of the old pictures and all sorts of things with them . It's about half the size it used to be , but it's still got the same atmosphere .

Speaker 2 1:04:31

Ross , would you imagine ? Same family , same what's the word ? I'm looking for Proprietors . Are they still behind or has it changed hands over the years ?

Speaker 8 1:04:43

To be honest , I have no idea . They just still make one of the best places Suvlaki's around .

Speaker 2 1:04:47

Really Okay . Well , if we say Hollywood Palace , hollywood Palace , hollywood Palace , suvlaki , suvlaki , suvlaki . Knock knock .

Speaker 3 1:04:56

Hollywood Palace . Hollywood Palace , hollywood . Palace . Suvlaki , suvlaki , suvlaki . I wonder what reaction you'll have . Knock , knock , knock .

Speaker 2 1:04:59

Here they are , they've arrived , We'll all have one . Yeah , we'll all have one . We'll all lob around a bit later this morning , Roscoe . Well done you . Thanks , Jimmy in Warrnambool . Good morning to you , Morning Far .

Speaker 9 1:05:15

Yeah , go ahead , Jimmy , Go ahead Jimmy . Fire on . Yeah , I asked him before about the origins why they say fuel with daylight saving .

Speaker 3 1:05:22

Yes , yeah , you've sent a couple of texts . I saw those . They were good .

Police Remembrance and Shift Worker Support

Speaker 9 1:05:29

So tell us what you've learnt . Yeah , but I thought about it a bit more , about when I was having a bath , like everything coal would have been , but everything was run by coal back in them days , and by having an extra hour of daylight you would reduce the consumption of electricity and coal for heating domestic purposes , and that would have been able to be put back into industry for the war effort , yes , and also , too , the state would have had to buy that coal , so therefore , the less they bought they'd be able to spend on something else , and all those factors come into it .

Speaker 3 1:06:11

So that was the actual reason . So you've researched that to it . So that was the actual reason .

Speaker 9 1:06:17

So you've researched that . The first text . I sort of harped at it and then I looked it up for the second text , but while I was having a bath I was thinking about it . That is why it's an extra hour of daylight . Therefore , you don't need your electric light on at home as much if they had electric light , you don't need as much coal for heating because you've electric light on at home as much if they had electric light , you don't need as much coal for heating , you know , because you've got an extra hour of daylight , extra hour of heat . It's the same here , roger , with the solar . Here it's the opposite . With the solar I've got on the roof , I get an extra hour of solar power when the other service .

Speaker 3 1:06:54

Yeah , well , of course , it opens that window of you being able to get that solar power as well , which makes it big , and also another good thing about Daylight , sirens .

Speaker 9 1:07:03

And it was the opposite for the Daylight Sirens , for the war effort . You know , the more they saved , the more was able to be put back into the warhead . Yeah , that makes sense . And they've eventually done it too , because they realised the same . Yep , that makes sense . There's a woman she was on one time . She does a research project for nightshifts and she was on with .

Speaker 2 1:07:30

Mike Lear one time , and with old Simon as well .

Speaker 9 1:07:31

Right , and so the question is I mean , if you and Roger , whoever , if you and Roger ever got together , it'd be good conflict , wouldn't it ? Yeah , it'd be fantastic .

Speaker 2 1:07:41

yeah , we'll have to find out who . We'll ask Simon about that . Well done , jim . Thank you , it's always great to have your contribution . Hollywood Pizza says Rob one and the same . I'm not too sure down that Richmond area . Somebody might have to just confirm that . May well be . Now , very importantly , max points out and you and I talked about this off air we were going to mention it and we should do Blue Ribbon Day coming up tomorrow , that is Friday .

Speaker 3 1:08:04

Now we discussed before we went on air that this Friday is Blue Ribbon Day and we must honour and remember our police .

Speaker 3 1:08:13

Now , you and I have had this conversation before as well , but thank your cop on that day as well .

Speaker 3 1:08:18

Just remember the fallen that people would have paid , because Blue Ribbon Day is about people who have paid the ultimate sacrifice while they've been working All right . So while they're out there and protecting the community , they've paid the price with their life , and that's what Blue Ribbon Day signifies . And it's on September , the 29th every year , and it just happens to fall on the grand final day , public holiday . So what happens is the police veterans actually have a march where they march to the police memorial . If people are not aware where it is on St Kilda Road , they will march down to that and there will be a memorial there . But there will also be numerous memorials around the state , actually around the country , on that day , on Friday , and what they'll do is you can go to the Blue Ribbon Foundation website and they will tell you whereabouts the local ceremonies are for those that are interested in going , or to donate to help people , the families of the people that have been left behind , that have been left behind , which is very , very important .

Speaker 2 1:09:28

It's a great it's a wonderful thing Is that Australia-wide ? Do we know ? Yes , it is , it's Australia-wide . Australia-wide Yep , Fantastic . So Australia-wide do we know ? Yes , it is Australia-wide , Yep , Fantastic . So it's South Australia and WA as well . All right , why don't we do this ?

Speaker 2 1:09:38

When we come back , we'll recalibrate 1-double-3-6-9-3 , ahealthyshiftcom that's the name of the website . For those ringing through , 1-double-3-67693693 . You'll be here . Jay is answering the phones . He's out there . So when you ring through , that's the first voice you'll hear from Jay when you call . I answered a lot of emails yesterday , which is just great . So you can do that overnight at 3awcomau . Roger , you and I spoke , I think , the last week you were here when it was all happening down the side of those protest movements and it goes back to that idea of acknowledging those at the front line , whether they be police officers . Ambos is obviously a big one as well and so important given . You know there's all sorts of stories about how difficult it is for AMBOs at the moment because they could be based in Geelong but doing something in Broadmeadows , I mean , which just seems crazy to me and I don't know much about it , except it feels weird . But just a thumbs up , just an acknowledgement you say is very important , oh terribly important .

Speaker 3 1:10:50

That's why on Friday , with it being Police Remembrance Day , just acknowledge the police that are out there , like it's a day to signify that , and you know people will wear their ribbons and so on and so forth and forget it . But you and I had this conversation , like you were driving your lime green vehicle two weeks ago and you waved and they were waving back and forth . Sorry for you . Yeah , they did . I think it was sympathy . It was sympathy . They were feeling sorry for the poor man driving along in there .

Speaker 2 1:11:19

Why is he driving that long green fully ?

Speaker 3 1:11:23

electric car , but what you did was you waved and they waved back , and they do appreciate it , because I just think it's a really , really tough job and unfortunately it's got to the stage now where it's trial by media , it's trial by the public . Members don't feel supported actually in the job by their management and I can categorically say that that's a big problem worldwide at the moment . So to have a member of the public , I think what we've got to realise is that the public do actually support the police . It's only that vocal minority that seems to really give them a hard time and I know from my own personal perspective it impacts heavily on your own mental health , with everybody All the spotlights are on you , coming at you from everywhere . So when someone does give you a thumbs up or says thanks for your service , thanks for what you're doing I know they do this in America massively . You know you've travelled to America and you would know they always board their military first . They do . Thank you for your service , yeah they do .

Speaker 2 1:12:28

Thank you for your service . Does it become in America ? It sometimes feels a bit I don't know , never to me , doesn't you get it ? Never to me ?

Speaker 3 1:12:39

All right , okay , no , there's some things that do in this country , but that's not one of them and I think you know I don't .

Speaker 3 1:12:45

It's a bit like have a nice day now , yeah , but I don't expect them to have the police board , because then where do you draw the line ? Because the nurses are doing a fantastic job , the paramedics and , you know , the fireys and everybody's doing a great job . But let's just acknowledge it and let's support , not just come out one day and go , you know , thank you , you've done a great job , support people . Let's get out there and support all of these shift working frontline health and emergency workers all the time , because they are getting brutalised Cars . What about the nurses ? And we see it on Jackie's show quite often the nurses that are working overnight coming in and their cars are smashed up and broken into and I just think you've got to be kidding At the end of a night shift , which comes at a horrendous cost for them A because they've got a vehicle a safe vehicle to go back to work the next day , and , b they've got to organise the repair .

Speaker 3 1:13:38

Exactly On night shift , after looking after other people all night . Now you know you're blessed . You come in here on night shift , you park your car in the building and you don't have to worry about it . So you know you walk out and you get in .

Speaker 2 1:13:50

We're lucky , we're lucky . We're very , very lucky with that . But I get it .

Speaker 3 1:13:53

That's not available to everybody ? No , it's not and nurses are having to park and walk and hospitals don't allow nurses to park close to the building because that's where the visitors have got to park . So they have to park further away and they're walking in and the parking is prohibitive , so they're parking inside streets and walking in . It's very dangerous for our nurses nurses male and female too . I just want to clarify that Very dangerous for them to be walking . Then they leave their cars and it's a lottery when they get back to their cars . You know I'd hate to be leaving my car parked around Dandenong Hospital or Sunshine or some of those hospitals there where your cars are . And the trick here is have nothing visible in your car at all . I've got nothing visible in my car .

Speaker 2 1:14:38

Yeah , that's the problem , so don't have anything visible Anything , nothing . Because they're going to look through and go oh , there's either a wallet there or a phone or a cord it looks like something's there .

Speaker 3 1:14:46

Don't give them a reason . Thieves are opportunists . As they walk past , try a door . Look in the car . If there's a bag there not necessarily a handbag , but any bag might be a gym bag sitting on the back seat you've just given them a reason to smash the window and get in . Nothing in your car at all . Leave it in the boot out of sight or don't have it in the car .

Speaker 2 1:15:08

Simple , Simple as that . We've got time for a couple more calls 1-double-3-6-9-3 . You made the point and I've been thinking about it in the last hour since you suggested it . In Australia , the shortfall is ballpark 7,000 positions for police .

Speaker 3 1:15:25

Police alone , personnel Yep around Australia Think about it 7,000 . Some of the NRL crowds are not 7,000 people . You know it's a lot of members and what that's done is it's put horrendous strain on those that are left . Rostering is terrible at the moment , particularly in policing .

Speaker 2 1:15:49

So has the model got to change Is the model of policing those hours , the shift . How do you ? What are the options to what's been in place for years ? Well , people are filling holes burning themselves out .

Speaker 3 1:15:59

So overtime , lots of overtime shifts for people . Vans are not on the road . I mean people would be horrified to learn that over the city for quite a while there's only been one van covering the city for a while . Some shifts , one van For a period of time .

Speaker 3 1:16:17

And once it gets tied up for periods of time . That's terrifying for the public and we need to make sure that we are actually , that the police stations are open , that the police cars are . How many times do you see a police car ? Look , we used to see police on the highways doing radar duties or police vehicles just out patrolling around . Not anymore . They're just going from one job to the next and they're covering the patches of other stations and things like that Police . I'll categorically say this I fear greatly for policing in 2025 . Greatly .

Speaker 2 1:16:53

So in the day and presumably it still happens now if an officer is rostered on for a Thursday but that same officer has

Court Appearances and Night Shifts

Speaker 2 1:17:00

to appear in court to give evidence , what happens there ? How do you then arrange and say I'm not available to work as an officer because I've got to appear in court Thursday morning to give evidence ?

Speaker 3 1:17:12

And you sit around court all day , all day , all day being paid . Yeah , yeah , yeah , being paid Thursday morning to give evidence and you sit around court all day , all day , all day being paid . Yeah , yeah , yeah , being paid sitting around court all day . Or what about the officer that's on night shift that catches offenders , or something like that ? And then the next thing that happens is they've gone from night shift to sitting around the court all day to do a remand on night shift . You know it's damaging to the health .

Speaker 2 1:17:33

Lots of things . It On night shift . You know it's damaging to the health . Lots of things . It's a healthy shift . Roger Southall and Tony Mack back the other side of this , thank you . Now . Would anybody in the listening audience this morning have any idea about a Yeti ?

Speaker 3 1:17:46

I don't know I do . I've got mine right here and we've been having these conversations .

Speaker 2 1:17:49

So you've got 25 seconds to explain what is a Yeti , because I'm now the proud owner of a Yeti .

Speaker 3 1:17:58

Well , the Yeti is it's a drink bottle . It's a drink bottle , but it's a stainless steel one that keeps liquid hot or cold .

Speaker 2 1:18:04

Fantastic . I used mine in this studio for the first time yesterday morning .