A Healthy Shift | The Shift Work Podcast
It doesn't have to be this way.
Welcome to A Healthy Shift | The Shift Work Podcast, the podcast helping shift workers thrive while changing how organisations think about people working in 24/7 environments.
Hosted by Roger Sutherland, Australia's Night Shift & Sleep Specialist, this is where evidence meets lived experience.
After more than 40 years of working rotating shifts with Victoria Police, followed by years studying nutrition, circadian biology, chrononutrition, sleep, human performance and women's health, Roger is on a mission to challenge the belief that fatigue, poor sleep, burnout and declining health are simply part of working shifts.
Because they don't have to be.
Whether you're a nurse, paramedic, police officer, firefighter, doctor, aged care worker, manufacturing employee, FIFO worker, miner, pilot, flight attendant, truck driver, dispatcher, or anyone working outside the traditional 9-to-5, this podcast will give you practical, evidence-based strategies to help you sleep better, improve your energy, optimise your health and perform at your best.
If you're a leader, manager, People & Culture professional, WHS specialist, or responsible for leading a 24/7 workforce, you'll discover a different way of thinking about shift work—one that focuses on building shift work capability from within through education, leadership and practical systems that create healthier people, stronger teams and higher-performing organisations.
Each episode explores topics including:
• Shift work
• Night shift
• Sleep after night shift
• Circadian rhythm
• Fatigue management
• Shift worker health
• Nutrition for shift workers
• Chrononutrition
• Recovery and resilience
• Women's health and shift work
• Leadership in 24/7 organisations
• Human performance
• Workplace wellbeing
• Fatigue risk management
• Building healthier, safer and higher-performing workplaces
This isn't another podcast offering generic health tips.
It's a podcast about changing the future of shift work.
Because healthier people create stronger teams.
Stronger teams build better organisations.
And it all starts by understanding how to work with biology, not against it.
It doesn't have to be this way.
A Healthy Shift | The Shift Work Podcast
[106] - Night Shift - Part 2 - The optimal way to navigate the night shift
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You now no longer have to imagine unlocking the secrets to thriving on the night shift because you're getting advice from someone who's not just studied the science, but lived the experience.
I'm Roger Sutherland, your guide through thenight shift, as we explore the crucial interplay between our bodies' circadian rhythms and the food we consume. With nearly four decades of night shifts under my belt and a certification in nutrition, I reveal why your 9 PM melatonin surge isn't just a sleep signal—it's a critical player in how your body handles insulin after dark. We'll dissect insulin resistance and its sneaky role in the night worker's diet, arming you with the knowledge to combat potential health pitfalls.
Shift your overnight strategy into high gear as we lay out a game plan for eating, fasting, and sustaining energy when the rest of the world sleeps. Learn the art of timing your meals to align with your body's natural rhythms, discover why turkey roll-ups or a simple yogurt with berries might just be your new best friends, and find out the ideal post-shift meal to send you off to dreamland without digestive distress. As we tackle these topics, I also shine a light on the mental health aspect of shift work, emphasizing the need for self-compassion and mental well-being. It's not just about making it through the night—it's about thriving in your personal and professional life, every hour of the day.
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Roger Sutherland is Australia's Night Shift & Sleep Specialist and the founder of A Healthy Shift.
After more than 40 years working rotating shifts with Victoria Police, Roger now helps organisations reduce fatigue risk, improve staff wellbeing and build healthier, safer and higher-performing 24/7 workplaces through evidence-based education, circadian biology and the Shift Work Champions™ Framework.
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Website: https://ahealthyshift.com.au
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Disclaimer: Roger Sutherland is not a doctor or a medical professional. Always consult a physician before implementing any strategies mentioned in this podcast. Use of this information is strictly at your own risk. Roger Sutherland will not assume any liability for direct or indirect losses or damages that may result from the use of the information contained in this podcast, including but not limited to economic loss, injury, illness, or death.
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Optimizing Overnight of the Night Shift
Speaker 1Navigating the night shift is , without doubt , one of the most difficult tasks that we , as shift workers , do . Now I have good news for you . Instead of making this a three part series , I realised while I was recording part two that there was just too much in the overnight and also between the nights . So , to keep each episode as brief as I can , what I'm going to do is I'm actually going to talk about the overnight in part two , and then I'm going to talk about between nights in part three and then how we go about coming out of night shift in part four . So today we're all about talking about the best way to navigate overnight of the night shift . Now pay attention , shift workers , because this is vital and this is where the biological impact mainly occurs , and today's episode will cover why Shift work can be brutal , but it doesn't have to be . Welcome to a healthy shift .
Speaker 1My name is Roger Sutherland , certified Nutritionist , veteran Law Enforcement Officer and 24-7 Shift Worker for almost four decades . Through this podcast , I aim to educate shift workers , using evidence based methods , to not only survive the rigours of shift work , but thrive . My goal is to empower shift workers to improve their health and wellbeing so they have more energy to do the things they love . Enjoy today's show and hello shift workers . I'm your host , roger Sutherland , and I am your guide in evidence based strategies for optimal shift work performance . Now , I'm absolutely thrilled that you're listening to this episode , so welcome aboard Now . Today I'm going to address how to optimize navigating overnight of the night shift , and today is part two of what is now become a four part series , and I'm addressing going through the night shift . Now , in episode one , we discuss going into the night shift , how we go about going into it on the day before night shift , and I finished off with that that we have our final meal , which needs to be a substantial and sustainable meal , prior to 2100 hours or 9pm .
Speaker 1Why 9pm ? What actually occurs from 2100 hours on ? Well , it's important that we understand that this is the stage in our circadian rhythm which is the beginning of the biological night . And what is it that actually is this milestone ? Why do we know that ? And that is because this is when we have what we're known as Dilmo , and Dilmo is the dim light melatonin onset . Now , melatonin is actually the hormone that the body secretes , and what it does is it prepares us for sleep . So therefore , it is deemed to be the beginning of the biological night . Now , this happens depending on what your chronotype is being whether you are an early riser or whether you're a late riser . This generally happens approximately 9pm at night , or if you are a night owl or a late chronotype , it will happen a little bit later . But what's the significance of this , this 9pm ? Well , at this stage , this is where our systems , our internal systems , actually begin to shut down , even though we are awake . So what actually occurs ?
Speaker 1Remember , in episode 1 , I spoke about the circadian rhythm . Well , the circadian rhythm actually dictates hormonal releases during the wake cycle and also during the sleep cycle . Now , this rotating 24 hour clock , biological clock , runs regardless and what happens is whether you're awake or whether you're asleep . Internally , it is still running and because we , as shift workers , are all over the place , some afternoon , some day , some night , it does become confused , but whatever happens overnight , our systems start to shut down . Now , what this means is that our pancreas secretes less insulin . Now , insulin is very important and I'll go into this in a minute . Eh , citrogener Cut , shuts down and everything goes into a rest and digest mode . Now let's talk about insulin , because the pancreas releases insulin and just to explain to you when we eat carbohydrates , which is sugar , what actually happens is that insulin is released by the pancreas , it gets triggered and are released by the pancreas and it transports the glucose into the muscle . Now what actually happens is , overnight is we become insulin resistant , so there is less insulin to actually transport the . There's actually less insulin to transport the glucose into the muscle and the muscle is closed when the insulin gets there . So what happens is these carbohydrates and fats actually just get transported around in their bloodstream and end up getting parked as body fat and end up being body fat . Now I'm going to give you an actual example which will really explain this to you and explain it to you really well .
Speaker 1Now you've gone to a concert and you turn out of the concert late at night and we've all done this and thousands of people turn out of the concert . That is the glucose that is running in our system , so any carbohydrates that we eat at all and fats are released at that stage into our bloodstream . That is the concert goers tipping out of the concert . What happens then is they then go to the bus stops or to the tram stop or the train stop , but because the pancreas secretes less insulin overnight . Let's call the insulin the buses that are coming , or the trams or the trains , and there are less trains and buses to actually transport the people from the concert to get them to where they want to get to .
Speaker 1Now what actually happens is when it does stop , people pile on and it's full and then it goes to the next stop , but the next stop is actually closed . That's insulin resistant . So what it does is it moves on and it goes to the next stop , and the next stop is closed because it's shut down and it's insulin resistant as well , even though there's the bus there , there's less buses and when it gets to the bus stops , the muscle is actually closed . So what actually happens is that bus ends up back at the depot . The passengers are still on the bus , the driver gets off the bus and says this is the end of the line and the passengers are stuck there and what that means is you end up getting parked as body fat . So the people that are on the buses and I think that's probably one of the easiest ways that I can actually explain it so when you're functioning during the day and you are insulin sensitive due to exercise , there's more buses to transport that glucose and the muscle is open and it goes in . So there's more buses , there's more bus stops for the people to get on and off or off the bus and therefore , by the time it gets parked back at the depot , there's nobody on it , and that is the difference between insulin resistant and insulin sensitive , and this is vital .
Speaker 1As we go into night shift , it's really important for people to actually understand that . So this is why we do an overnight fast , and I'll say this too this is done to the best of our ability . This doesn't mean you must not eat . I'm talking here about what is actually optimal , what is optimal for your body . You may not be able to do this , and that's absolutely fine , but I'm here to give you evidence based strategies around what you can do .
Speaker 1So , while you're pulling up at the 7-11 in the middle of the night and slamming down a donut , that's going on to your hips , and that's the bottom line because your body is insulin resistant , there's insufficient insulin to pass around your bloodstream and it ends up getting parked as body fat . So that's the problem . So not everyone can fast , and it's not easy if you're not actually used to it , and it also comes down to how busy your job is . We have people that are out there working , that are swinging sledgehammers and busy and working quite hard , digging holes , operating machinery , doing things like that . It doesn't change , but it still means that we need to be very careful about what we're actually eating overnight .
Speaker 1But , without doubt , the absolute last thing that we want to be eating are those highly palatable carbs and fats , and I'm talking lollies , chips , cakes , all that processed stuff that we tend to reach for out of the vending machines , and goddamn Jenny that keeps on bringing in her slice to look after the girls on night shift drives you absolutely bananas . All of that stuff is all going to body fat . It doesn't get burnt . It's a problem , all right . So foods such as these just end up parked as body fat . I want you to keep remembering this , all right . So what we need to do ? We need a strategy as to what we can actually do . What can we eat ? I get hungry . What do I do ? Well , an ideal food for you to have as a snack and I'm going to list a number of little snacks for you is Greek yogurt and a handful of blueberries . That is absolutely ideal . Now , the blueberries yes , they're a carbohydrate but they work as a fiber , which helps to keep you feeling full and also berries like that . And also a carbohydrate with a protein helps to stop the oxidization or slow down the oxidization of the protein overnight , so you stay feeling fuller for longer .
Speaker 1Protein shakes something that slips into your system and slips through your system really easy . A baby bell cheese , veggie sticks and a bit of hummus . Turkey roll ups get a turkey slices and roll them around . A piece of cheese or something like that . Hard-boiled eggs Heaven forbid whoever's working with you but hard-boiled eggs A handful of almonds or a bit of trail mix . I'm not talking a bag full , I'm just talking a small snack for you .
Speaker 1And the other thing is air-fried chickpeas . Just discovered these and they are goddamn freaking delicious , all right . So just Google and search recipes for air-fried chickpeas . If you've got an air-fryer , you're going to love it . So what we need is small snacks with high protein to keep us feeling fuller for longer . Another really good idea is to make yourself up a vegetable soup before you start the night shift and then , when it's finished cooking and you've got it right , blitz it completely . Blitz it so that it is a complete puree and then you can just sip on that overnight . The bonus there you're going to get all the nutrients from the soup and you're also going to have something in your stomach that's going to make you feel quite , quite associated , and it's easy to digest . Your body doesn't have to work hard to digest it .
Speaker 1Now I want to be clear . We do not snack on these things all night . It is absolutely optimal for us to fast , but those are what you can have as an emergency snack , and that's the snacks and around the food . And I want to say this to you as well . I know you're going to hate me for this but , ladies and gentlemen , we must cut our caffeine at midnight . No caffeine after midnight . And this is really , really important because the latest research around caffeine shows that caffeine impacts on subsequent sleep for up to almost nine hours before sleep Nine hours and that the dose that was measured is actually less than what is in your cafe latte that you're having . So what we need to do is we need to cut the caffeine at midnight . But what we do is we go with high hydration , and the reason for this is our digestive tract is already compromised . Let's give it an opportunity to flush it and the water is what really really will help with this .
Speaker 1So cutting caffeine and I want to say this as well while I'm talking about caffeine the less caffeine that you actually have , the less caffeine you actually need , believe it or not . If you are a person that drinks a lot of caffeine , then what you're doing is you will be needing it and becoming dependent on it , purely because not because you're addicted to it , but you need it because your body can't cope without it . As far as sleep goes , when you understand the mechanisms that caffeine operates under , you can tell me that you go to sleep no problems , but you're not getting the decent restorative sleep that your body needs while you are consuming copious amounts of caffeine . Now , the correct and maximum amount of caffeine that you should actually be having daily is 400 milligrams Scary , because that's about three cafe lattes and we all know that majority of us will probably do more than two coffees a day , and if we're on night shift , we would definitely do more . Watch the difference that it makes to your daytime sleep . Cutting caffeine at midnight you will find that you won't need the caffeine past midnight . It will make a huge difference .
Speaker 1Now I want to talk about a really important topic here as well , when it comes to the overnight fast , and that is for females . Now , females , it is really important that females in particular fast . Why is this ? Females already have a compromised digestive trait . Females are not small men . We do not have the same digestive traits . It's got the same structure . But the difference is it takes food on average , 14 hours longer to transit a female digestive trait than it does a males . Why is this ? Because the stomach is less acidic . That's one thing . What that means is it takes longer for the food to break down , and then the stomach actually empties slower than it does on a male . The female actually has a longer colon as well . In fact , it's four to six inches longer in a female than it actually is on a male , and it empties slower .
Speaker 1Now what I also would like you to have a think about for males , male sexual reproductive organs are external . Where are female reproductive organs ? Where's the colon located ? Internal , and the colon is literally in the , occupying exactly the same space as the uterus and the ovaries . So if females are in the luteal phase of their menstrual cycle and you have highly agitated uterus and ovaries because it is getting close to that menstruation ? Why would you want a compromise colon that's full sitting right in that area as well , while they're fighting for space and get away from me , you get away from me , you get away Empty . This is a problem . So that's why females really need to try their best to fast overnight or keep all of their food and snacks to a minimum . Now I get so many females messaging me through my social media or emailing to thank me for that tip alone . It makes such a difference to them and their shift working life and the way that they come
Night Shift Workers
Speaker 1out of night shift .
Speaker 1People who fast find that they bounce out of the night shift really , really well , and the reason for this is because you're not bogging your digestive tract down pardon the pun , but you're not bogging your digestive tract down by overloading it with food that your digestive trait is actually not in the groove of digesting food at that time of the night , and you will feel lighter and you will feel better and you will feel so much better coming out of the night shift and you will bounce out of it quicker . Now , when we talk about fasting , we need to think about fasting and one of the worst things is when you know you're going into a fast from 9pm , the first thing you're going to freak out about is no food . So the first thing that happens is you get hungry . So what about if you structure a few snacks in to your shift ? I think that's the best thing that you can possibly do until you actually get used to it . So why would you ?
Speaker 1At 9 o'clock you need before 9 you need to have had a substantial carbohydrate cup of fat and protein meal so that you are feeling quite full , and then what you would do is maybe one o'clock you might have yourself a turkey roll up or a baby bell cheese , or you might have a protein shake or something like that which will help to tie you over . Then I would have somewhere between 3 and 4am I would be having something like a Yo Pro yogurt and a Yo Pro yogurt and some mixed berries . I would be looking forward to having that at around about 4am . And why is that ? Because us shift workers all know that when it gets to 5am we are ready to eat anything inside . So what you want to do is stop that happening before it actually occurs and have yourself something like a Yo Pro yogurt and some berries , because this will make a massive difference to you . That will also tide you over until you actually get home , and once you get home , then you have a small protein and carbohydrate breakfast before you go to sleep . A few eggs on toast , that's all you need .
Speaker 1Now we are not having a big breakfast . We are not having eggs , bacon , avocado , toast , tomato , beans , everything that goes with it , because what you are going to do is you are going to put your digestive tract in strain when you are trying to sleep , and this will impact on your sleep as well . You could literally have something like for us Australians , you can have yourself even something simple like a cheese and veggie might toastie . Why not ? Because it has got a bit of protein and carbohydrate . And the reason why we have a protein and carbohydrate meal is it goes into our stomach . The protein keeps us feeling fuller and the carbohydrate actually helps us to go to sleep by triggering a tryptophan pathway across the top of the brain which helps us to sleep . So this makes it really important . So what we want to do is we want to be making sure that we are having carbohydrate to help us to go to sleep and that we also have protein , which keeps us satiated , feeling fuller while we are sleeping and you watch what happens to your sleep . Even something like protein and oats is very , very good as well Protein powder mixed into oats Now remember small meal , really , really important .
Speaker 1Okay now , I started this podcast and my business because I totally understand the 24 7 shift work environment . I know what it feels like to be in it because I have done it for almost four decades . I am an evidence based nutritionist , so I can read research and I apply that , what the research tells us , into a legitimate and a workable way to a live environment from my own experience , and that is why I went off and did the certification in evidence based nutrition . I know what it is like to work shift work and I feel you for it . It is difficult , and learning how to apply it from an evidence based perspective makes such a difference , and I coach shift workers in this one to one , and I do so with great success , and my motto is learn how to thrive and not just survive while working shift work , because you will need more energy to do the things that you love outside of your shift working life .
Speaker 1Now , that is a wrap for today's episode . I hope you got something out of that . It was big . It is bigger because when I went and did this episode , I had already recorded this episode with what we should do between nights , and it was far , far too long . It was about 40 minutes , and that is just not what this one is about .
Speaker 1So remember , fellow shift workers , your health , and in particular , your mental health , is a non-negotiable . It is the foundation that allows you to excel in your career and enjoy life beyond your shift working workplace . And remember , this is about having more energy to do the things that you love outside of shift work . By making these evidence based steps , you won't just be surviving , you will be thriving . Now keep pushing forward and remember me , roger . I am here to support you every step of the way . Stay committed to nourishing your body and prioritising your wellbeing and , as always , please remember to be patient and kind to yourself as you navigate the challenges of shift work and prioritise your mental health and wellbeing . Thank you for listening . If you enjoyed this episode , be sure to subscribe so you get notified whenever a new episode is released . It would also be ever so helpful if you could leave a rating and review on the app you are currently listening on , if you want to know more about me or work with me , you can go to ahealthyshiftcom . I'll catch you on the next one .